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Subj: Re: Episode 4
Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 at 11:01:19 am CDT (Viewed 133 times)
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Posted: Mon May 06, 2019 at 04:21:44 pm CDT (Viewed 138 times)

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    I agree 100%, the pacing was horrible. More horrible still - after building up women to be a force to be reckoned with, this episode tears that all down, by:
    1. Having Sansa say that rape and abuse made her a better person (what the actual f?).
    2. Fridging Missandei - the only woman of color in the whole show - to advance a white woman's story.
    3. Inevitably setting up Dany to go mad with power and burn them all.
    4. Having Brienne jump into bed with Jamie and then weep because her man is going off to war. Both actions are VERY out of character for her.
I didn't read Sansa being raped as it making her a "better" person. These difficult experiences made who she is today. The good as well as the bad. And there is good and beauty that came out of all that horror.

Fridging Missandai was indeed just that. 

As for Brienne, I had no problem with her behaving like that. She was obviously attracted to Jaime since a long time and had that belief that no man would ever want her in her bed, and life. What she must have been given by Jaime must have felt like a dream... and then a nightmare.

    Thank heavens we still have Arya as someone to look up to. Her refusal of Gendry (I'm glad she was shown to be flattered, at least) was completely in-character, and her "that's not me" refrain gave me hope we will see Nymeria next episode.

    I haven't been a fan of the acting by Kit Harrington, but kudos to him for his husky-voiced eulogy of the fallen at the funeral for Winterfell. It actually choked me up.

    Dany has a revelation at the feast of Winterfell that all of her accomplishments on Essos don't mean diddly to the citizens of Westeros. She hasn't earned the throne of Westeros but wants it anyway. That makes her a terrible candidate for power. In her scene with Jon she sounds desperate to have him hide the truth. And in his simple, chowder-headed way, he cannot tell a lie when he's with his siblings, letting the genie out of the bottle.
I admit I wasn't sure they were showing us Daenerys when I saw her beg and afraid of loosing the throne. The Daenerys I saw in the past was temperemental for sure, but also proud and strong. I like to think she would be willing to yield the throne if someone else is better suited for it than her. Especially if she is in love with that person.

    I liked that Sansa spilled the beans to Tyrion. She really never was Ned Stark's daughter in terms of his naive commitment to honor. She "learned a great deal" from Cersei and Littlefinger and didn't even think twice about breaking her word to Jon when it suited her.
The hardship of Sansa's life changed her for the best and for the worst... Honor has often led to death and misery from her POV and the teachers she had for a long while were master manipulators.

    I liked that Gendry got his due, but this was NOT a clever move by Dany. She just legitimized her usurper's son and gave him a legitimate claim to the throne. Not that I think it will come into play with just two episodes left - but still. She's actually a terrible leader.
With Jon's claim, Gendry is the least of her worry at this point.

    We are meant to think Cersei is a monster for executing a captive, and therefore Dany is justified. But let's not forget that Dany recently executed her prisoners, the Tarlys, in a way that was perhaps even more cruel and horrifying. Remind me why Tyrion is so adamant that Dany should be defended? Varys was making much more sense in his conversation with Tyrion. Dany is a monster too.
Varys was indeed coming of as the voice of reason and morality in this episode. I miss Tyrion.

    And yes - that weird disposal of Rhaegal. Apparently Euron's crossbows can shoot around a corner, across a few kilometers, and hit a moving target with 100% accuracy on the first try. Terrible pacing after spending most of the episode watching people celebrate. Also, why didn't it occur to Dany to fly BEHIND the fleet and burn it to cinders? They couldn't wheel those crossbows around without shooting out their own masts.

I was asking myself the same question. She can maneuver much better than the ships and the balistas can't get a clear shot if they are on the front. Also, if they were wiling to try and shoot at the dragons it must have meant they were pretty sure to score a hit otherwise it would be like poking a nest of bees. So, why not go for Drogon and Dany then? Plot armor, I know, but gah...

    It hadn't occurred to me that Euron would put two-and-two together about the baby. But your theory makes a lot of sense, especially since the "Previously on Game of Thrones" spent a lot of time focusing on Cersei's baby lies. I had interpreted Cersei's facial contortions during the parlay as Tyrion getting under her skin (which I thought was bad writing) but it makes sense that she was realizing that Tyrion was exposing her lies (without him even realizing it). Is this what the prophesy meant - that Tyrion inadvertently killed her with his words?
I just hope we see Cercei act accordingly.

    Lastly - the writer's mess that was that parlay. So much wrong here, including:
    1. Cersei had the Dragon Queen and all of her braintrust within archer's range and didn't just finish them off?
    2. Why exactly didn't Cersei have the archers finish Tyrion when she planned to finish Missandei anyway?
    3. Did I miss the part when Qyburn made it back inside the gate? Why didn't Grey Worm kill him immediately after Missandei's death?
    4. Why would Team Dany make this pointless risk in the first place? Just to win the hearts and minds of a public that wasn't there to see it anyway? Hasn't Dany learned that these parlays don't do a thing? Once Cersei was dead Dany could have told her public anything. History books are written by the victors.

Yeah. Agree completely.

There were some large plot holes in this episode, as others have pointed out.The biggest one for me: after Dany looses one dragon , she retreats.How about flying to the sides/backs of Eurons fleet, and exacting a little revenge?Jon and Dany never seem too upset about incest?  Dany I sort of understand,but Jon, I would expect to be horrified.

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