Dave Galanter
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Drax the Legend

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Subj: Those are not tears you’re drinking, 'tis sweat!
Posted: Thu May 02, 2019 at 08:51:37 pm EDT (Viewed 235 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Game of Over.
Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 at 09:32:49 pm EDT (Viewed 214 times)

My hirsute buttocks have been drenched since I watched the last episode, in fear of the effort it would take to compose my thoughts and give a coherent answer to the very things you require of me here...

It's actually funny how you were in agreement with me about this turn of events before, but now that it's Arya's moment, no, now I have to explain it to you - how it's even especially bad because of Arya's involvement, damn ye mrpo !

But to be clear, I will still savor whatever character moments I can get from the show, it's just that there's no anticipation anymore, no reason for me to invest any thought or energy about what's to come (to give you an idea, if not for some leaked screenshots that sustained me, I might have sat down last Sunday and watched the entire episode as a freakin' leaked gif just a few hours before it aired properly!). And as for that other thing, about probably not sitting through it all again anytime soon, it's my experience with the 2 later Hobbit movies talking (and the immersion-breaking problem there was actually pretty minor compared to this, a mere subplot).

In any case, whatever may lie ahead, we will still be getting new of these, which will never not entertain me (btw, these are from before what we now know):

    Can you be more specific about why "it's been broken beyond repair"? And doesn't every creator tailor their work to their own personal taste, whether they want to or not?

First let me get out of the way the easy one and say that, yes, creators generally create for themselves first and foremost. But they do try to keep a narrative and follow the rules they establish for their creation. Here we have fans of a creation, the showrunners, who were extremely fond of certain parts of Martin's creation, though not so keen on others, and now that they have been mostly freed from the restraints of his story, they are favoring their proclivities with no regard to how they actually contradict and lessen the earlier parts of the narrative they didn't care for to begin with.

A lot of book readers have been calling the show a fanfic since it ran out of material to adapt. I felt it was rushed and had lost most of the more interesting characters, but I still believed they were following Martin's leads to some degree and could generally come up with in-world explanations about most major events, so I was still there in the world, the overall plot was still seemingly leading to a payoff despite the missteps.

But I was wrong.

It's obvious now that everything I defended last season was bull. Everything was been geared towards where we are now, but I failed to notice the train moving from the original track.

"Broken beyond repair"... I guess there are still ways to salvage something, but at best it will be like a broken vase held together by duct tape. What I mean is, they need to either find a way to bring the threat of the Walkers back or they actually do the speculated twist that they were actually the "good guys", with someone else being the story's true baddie, like R'hllor or the 3-Eyed Raven or someone. There are still various hints and leaks and press talk that want us to believe that some pretty major stuff will happen in episode 5, but hey, I also believed the hype for the battle we last saw...

Anyway, this is the part where I would actually try and explain why I found it as problematic as I did, but I'm pretty sure you own behind is sweaty by now too, so I will just list whatever pops in mind as bullet points:

-Valyrial steel should not work after the NK tanked a direct blast of dragonfire (or at least not be that effective).
-The other Walkers should not have been affected by NK's death.
-Arya is not the one the prophecies spoke of.
-Pretty much the arcs of Jon, Stannis, Melisandre, Bran, Daenerys even, have been rendered meaningless (also true for a lot of the characters around them).
-The overall premise of the narrative has been turned on its head.
-Lord Eddard Stark lost.

    How does nothing matter? I bet the show's highest ratings are still to come with the finale, proof that it matters to lots and lots of people.

Yeah? I never said I am the majority (and I even said I would keep watching it). But just doing whatever you fancy because you have a bigger audience for it does not justify doing it.

But when I say that nothing matters, I mean they obviously sacrificed reason in the altar of grand spectacle, though didn't quite get that "grand" part right...

Did you see the Dothraki charge? The only reason they did that was because it served their desire to get a cool "lights off" scene that was supposed to fill the characters watching, and thus us, with dread for the oncoming onslaught after a fleeting sense of elevation. And sure, it worked, but if you’re gonna go that way, just push all the way and have the damn very first charge be the now risen Dothraki galloping against the Unsullied ranks – now that would have been a scene truly worth the stupidity of it all!

They also clearly wanted to get a major part of Daenerys' forces out for Cersei's sake (most everything has seemingly been designed with that clash in mind), and since the Dothraki have no actual character representing them (and well, probably are a pain to feature with all dem horses and stuff), they were the best candidate to be written out. I mean, suicidal charge aside, did you even see how they were going to enter battle with their normal weapons? Arya conveniently happens on a box of spare obsidian daggers in the library, but no one bothered to properly arm their strongest military asset (dragons aside)? Just the writers knowing that Melisandre would be there to do her thing is seemingly enough, the characters themselves are fictional pawns, who cares, right? It's even the slowest-working death they can administer with fire, and they’re on freaking horses, so I dunno why anyone would think that starting mass fires while inside enemy ranks wouldn't horribly backfire on them too...

Heck, forget that, what about Theon's death? Edd's? Jorah's? Even Melisandre's? They specifically wanted them dead and tried to script somewhat meaningful deaths, but failed spectacularly, in that their deaths, as presented, were preventable in-world...

What about them crypts, huh? We had a specimen transferred all the way to King’s Landing contained by just ropes and wood, yet them Starkdeads were punching through fartin' stone! Again, if you're gonna go with moronic, go full way, give us a headless Ned skeleton chasing down his daughter, dammit \(pirate\) ! And at the very least bring back Hodor and have him go see what's the hold-up with that door those other undead couldn't break to reach the Hound and Melisandre. Speaking of which, they were apparently surrounded by defiant dead in that room, as not only Berric, who was politely given enough of a break to stumble inside, could seemingly ignore the NK, but dem others bodies too refused to heed dat call!

There are so many things that they could have added if they just wanted a grand, shocking spectacle, from having Melisandre bring actual other Red Priests to help, like Kinvara, and the damn Walkers entering the fray, since they were all going to die anyway, to the NK besting Jon in an actual duel and Bran warging into the panicked dragons! Why even give us the expected deus ending, just with the unexpected character? Why not just go where you've lead the narrative and fookin' kill everyone, huh?! At worst, just let Jon and/or Daenerys with their dragons escape and have them agonize about joining whatever stand Cersei ends up making...

I seriously would have been 100% behind such twists and wonders, I tells ya!

Drax the Legend, Captain of the Fist, The Starwalker, The Jade Slayer

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