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Subj: Re: The Force Awakens: The Good and the Bad (MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS! Don't read until you've seen the movie)
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 at 12:14:10 pm CST (Viewed 628 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The Force Awakens: The Good and the Bad (MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS! Don't read until you've seen the movie)
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 at 06:50:54 am CST (Viewed 690 times)



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      The Good:
      BB-8 works as the new R2.

    I don't agree. BB just isn't anywhere near as cute as R2 was. Appearance-wise, perhaps, but BB's emotions weren't as iconic.
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          John Boyega is good but Finn's character arc of a rebelling stormtrooper didn't feel fleshed out.

        The whole thing was very fleshed out, from the moment we meet him to the end.
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            Lupita Nyong'o's Maz Kanata is okay as a Yoda-ish character.

          Yoda, she is not. But cool she is.
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                It doesn't function as a standalone movie. It leaves open major questions that really don't need to be left hanging. Why was Ren left alone on a dessert planet and who raised her? Yeah, she's probably Luke's daughter, and she was left like Luke was left on Tatooine. But if it's that obvious (she's meant to inherit his lightsaber!), there's no point in hiding it. Why did Kylo Ren go to the dark side? I guess Snoke is at least partly responsible, but without a reason, we don't know what motivates his character.

              None of these questions needs an answer. The movie absolutely stands on its own as much as ANH did. We don't need a motivation from Kylo. Vader never had one until the prequels (and this alone makes me think giving villains motivations isn't necessarily a good thing).


Vader had some motivations in the original movies. Bringing Luke in for instance but part of it worked because you did not know everything about him. So the audience was hungry for anything about this cool character.


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    I think by the end of the movie everyone, including Rey, knows Luke is her dad.


Potentially, she could be Han and Leia's other kid too. Although Luke is likely but that way they would have a family dynamic again.


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      Snoke is a terrible name.

    No.
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        Kylo Ren starts off as a badass, but then Finn puts up a decent fight against him with a lightsaber and the Rey, with no training, beats him with little explanation.

      I missed his ever being badass. Fearsome, sure, but that's not the same thing.
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          Kylo Ren shouldn't be named Ben. Han and Leia barely had any relationship to Kenobi.

        She had about as much connection as Luke.
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            Kylo Ren is practically whiny Anakin from the prequels and that's not the image you want to dredge up.

          That's the point.
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              How and why would anyone have a map to Luke Skywalker?

            It's Luke's map. He was going into uncharted space, so he would need one, especially if he wanted to ever return. I'm pretty sure the implication is that he actually ordered R2 to shut down after he left.
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                Poe Dameron is a purely generic and uninteresting hotshot fighter pilot.

              Yes. So? He was just a means to an end.
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                  Captain Phasma, the coolest looking stormtrooper ever, gets to do nothing

                Who wants a Stormtrooper to do anything? Ever? Nah... just shut up, Phasma, and look pretty.
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                    Domhnall Gleeson is too young and unimposing to be a General.

                  Perhaps if this was the Empire, but it's only the First Order.
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                      Why do only Han and Chewie go with Finn to the Starkiller? Surely a dozen more Resistance fighters would drastically increase the probability of a successful mission.

                    Considering things like this are the basis of nearly all works of fiction, this is not a valid complaint.
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                        Han Solo's fate on the catwalk was too predictable and the scene didn't have sufficient dramatic buildup. When you walk over a giant chasm, you know it's not going to end well for someone.

                      I agree that it was predictable, but it didn't dampen the effect. I lurched in my seat. I cried. I raged. There was some rumour that Chewy would die, so I was prepared for someone. But when Solo went to confront Kylo, it was clear.
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                          Why wouldn't Leia go see Luke at the end?

                        Had to go to work. Seriously, why would she go see Luke? There was no pressing reason for that. He left her and everybody. Rey went because she needs personal answers.



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    What I would have liked to have seen was some degree of resentment of Luke for Kylo.



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      I guess given the story as written, Luke's appearance had to be saved until the end, but it felt anticlimatic.

    Wasn't intended to be a climax. It's a denouement. Everyone knew who'd be at the top of that mountain in the end. A smile is sufficient.
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        There's too much retreading of A New Hope's story beats. It feels lazy. They've already destroyed the Death Star twice. We didn't need to rehash that again. We don't need another catina scene.

      It would be nearly a sin had it not homaged ANH to the point it did. We didn't really get another cantina scene, either. There was practically no attempt to make Maz's feel like the Tatooine cantina. There was just a morsel of homage.



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    IMO: Better than ESB! The only exception was that it didn't make me laugh as much. But it brought forth more of all my other emotions than ESB ever did.







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