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Subj: Re: The Force Awakens: The Good and the Bad (MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS! Don't read until you've seen the movie)
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 at 05:26:06 pm CST (Viewed 1211 times)
Reply Subj: The Force Awakens: The Good and the Bad (MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS! Don't read until you've seen the movie)
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 at 02:31:13 pm CST (Viewed 1664 times)




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    It doesn't function as a standalone movie. It leaves open major questions that really don't need to be left hanging. Why was Ren left alone on a dessert planet and who raised her? Yeah, she's probably Luke's daughter, and she was left like Luke was left on Tatooine. But if it's that obvious (she's meant to inherit his lightsaber!), there's no point in hiding it. Why did Kylo Ren go to the dark side? I guess Snoke is at least partly responsible, but without a reason, we don't know what motivates his character.


Why did Vader go dark? I see your point and when the first SW came out they didn't know if there'd ever be a follow up. But my son's friend who never saw the originals liked it a lot even as a stand alone. He asked if there would be more movies so he wasn't tortured with too many questions. But his generation is more attuned to trilogies etc.

As for Ben, he was a lot like his grandfather, they pointed that out more than once. Leia says that sending him off to train with Luke was the big mistake, Snoke used that as leverage. And yeah.. Snoke is a tough bad guy name to swallow.


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    Snoke is a terrible name.



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    Kylo Ren starts off as a badass, but then Finn puts up a decent fight against him with a lightsaber and the Rey, with no training, beats him with little explanation.


They made a major point to demonstrate how obscenly powerful Chewie's crossbow blaster was.. it took out 2 or 3 stormtroopers at a time and he clipped Kylo right in the side with it. They also focused on his agony from the bleeding wound when he confronted Fin and Rey. Add to that Rey's tie to the force is so strong she was already doing the mind whammy without training. She is going to be an incredibly powerful Jedi. If Kylo was at 100% though I doubt even she would have succeeded. Also The Supreme Leader wanted him to return to complete his training. Rumor is the Storm Trooper she manipulated was Daniel Craig.


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    Kylo Ren shouldn't be named Ben. Han and Leia barely had any relationship to Kenobi.


From the original it was implied Leia knew Ben from her childhood also. The story of him being the one to save the twins from their father after her mother died would surely have reached them too.


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    Kylo Ren is practically whiny Anakin from the prequels and that's not the image you want to dredge up.


LOL.. maybe THAT's why they say he has too much Vader in him. I expect now that he did the thing he feared he didn't have the strength to do he'll be more resolute.


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    How and why would anyone have a map to Luke Skywalker?


Old Empire Googlemaps? Wondered that too but with R2's reactivation it seems Luke himself might be behind it.


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    Poe Dameron is a purely generic and uninteresting hotshot fighter pilot.


I thought he was awesome. Loved the quick friendship between himself and FN 248. I want his action figure.


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    Captain Phasma, the coolest looking stormtrooper ever, gets to do nothing


She better get better facetime in the next episode. But she did get clocked by the most bad assed Wookie in the galaxy. No shame there.


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    Domhnall Gleeson is too young and unimposing to be a General.


He's gonna die soon. No worries ;\)


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    Why do only Han and Chewie go with Finn to the Starkiller? Surely a dozen more Resistance fighters would drastically increase the probability of a successful mission.


Stealth mission.. less is more?


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    Han Solo's fate on the catwalk was too predictable and the scene didn't have sufficient dramatic buildup. When you walk over a giant chasm, you know it's not going to end well for someone.


I hoped it wouldn't happen and even after 2 viewings it still affected me.


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    Why wouldn't Leia go see Luke at the end?


She's got a rebellion to run.


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    I guess given the story as written, Luke's appearance had to be saved until the end, but it felt anticlimatic.


Agreed.


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    There's too much retreading of A New Hope's story beats. It feels lazy. They've already destroyed the Death Star twice. We didn't need to rehash that again. We don't need another catina scene.


It was very reflective of a new hope but intentional rather than lazy. History repeats itself. If I were in charge I'd probably go a different way but then again if I was in charge Sisters would beat it at the box office this week end.





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