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Subj: Re: Star Trek Discovery Season One
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 at 06:09:43 pm EST (Viewed 118 times)
Reply Subj: Star Trek Discovery Season One
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 05:38:25 pm EST (Viewed 153 times)



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    Episode 3 had a great beginning; a prison ship, a disgraced Starfleet officer, a second chance aboard a black-ops ship on the edge of space operating with impunity in a time of war, a secretive captain. You wouldn't really know if Burnham was as bad as her reputation, as she says, "don't believe everything you hear." But when you've seen the first two episodes you know the story and it's just sad.

    The first episode tells us that Georgiou and Burnham have served together as Captain and First Officer for seven years. So you imagine Picard and Riker, Sisko and Kira, Janeway and Chakotay, and you can't imagine one of them breaking the trust or going against each other the way Burnham does to Georgiou. Either she should have obeyed Georgiou or Georgiou should have come around to her way of thinking. But Burnham knocks her out with a Vulcan nerve pinch which Georgiou simply shakes off 30 seconds later. Since when can you shake off a nerve pinch? I suppose we're supposed to think that Burnham didn't do it right because she's just a human.


I think Burnham totally overstepped her position here. She was first officer, not star fleet commander, and there is nothing in Star Fleet regulations that state "shoot first, ask questions later." Georgiou like most captains followed the rules there was no way she'd come round to Burnham's way of thinking especially as she knew Klingons killed Burnham's biological parents. So Burnham assaulted her captain and nearly put her shipmates in a very unenviable position.

I think Burnham didn't do it right, Kirk once remarked to Spock in a TOS episode that Spock should teach him that, and Spock replied, "I have tried Captain, many times." I think an average Vulcan is about 3x stronger than an average human so... I doubt Burnham could give it enough power.


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    So Burnham is accused of starting the war with the Klingons, a blame she seems to accept for the rest of the season. But she doesn't even accomplish anything with her mutiny. Her suggestion was to fire on the Klingons first, which Sarek suggests might have prevented the war. That's what she tries to do, but she doesn't get to do it, because Georgiou wakes up and throws her in the brig. In the second episode Georgiou wants to kill T'Kuvma to keep him from uniting the Klingons. Burnham offers another suggestion, capture him alive. This will humiliate him and the Klingons won't want to follow him. Kill him and you make him a martyr. So what happens? They end up killing him. The ultimate conclusion is that everything that happened was what Georgiou ordered, and nothing Burnham suggested was done. So everything would have happened the exact same way if Burnham hadn't been there. Well, except Georgiou would not have boarded the Klingon funeral ship and wouldn't have died. Burnham can feel guilty about that, I suppose.


Its a big might. T'kuvma wanted a war with the Federation to unite the Klingon Empire no matter what. So had they shot first, it could have had the opposite reaction and the war get under way nicely. Capturing T'kuvma was a better plan... and could have worked, but Burnham botched it up. Which is unusual as she's normally flawless...


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    Anyway then we get Lorca and things pick up. They obviously had something in mind for him from the beginning with the light sensitivity but I wonder if it was an open-ended clue that they would just fill in later. I'm not sure the explanation that he was from the Mirror Universe made sense. He seemed way too nice for that. Don't get me wrong, he had a very stern demeanor but if you look at his decision making, he was never as cruel as I expected for a character shrouded in mysterious doings as he was. When they decide to free the Tardigrade because being plugged into the spore drive was harming it, he doesn't object. You'd think someone from the Terran Empire wouldn't give a damn. There are other examples I'm not remembering right now where I expected him to be more cruel and he wasn't. He reminded me of Snape from Harry Potter, he had all the trappings of the usual villain so that the switcheroo is that he's actually the hero of the story. Then they reveal that he was just a Mirror Universe thug with no real motivation beyond getting home and saving his own skin and possibly getting revenge on the Emperor?


Lorca was one of the few reasons I kept watching. But he was more than just a thug I think, he was the very apex of Terran subterfuge, as we know in the TOS episodes the Mirror counterparts of Kirk McCoy and co were found out instantly. Lorca knew in this universe he'd have to play nice or people would be suspicious. He didn't have a choice really. So he played along, pretending to be the dutiful star fleet officer till the right time and he sent himself home. So wanting to go back home and rule the empire... That's probably the goal of every single Terran.


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    Where is Prime Lorca? Did Cornwall ever know him or just the Mirror version? She says something about Prime Lorca being dead because he "wouldn't last a minute in the Terran Empire" or something. Are we supposed to think he crossed over at the same time Mirror Lorca did? Because both Discoveries crossed over at the same time, and both of Kirk's landing parties did too. But that's not how it worked on DS9. Do I assume that Lorca's speech about how he mercy-killed his whole crew (and no one at Starfleet cared) was probably a cover that he killed them because they found out he was a Mirror?


Theoretically prime Lorca and Mirror Lorca traded places. So Prime Lorca MIGHT be alive in the Mirror universe. And Cornwall might be wrong.


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    And then there's the spore drive. There's one in each universe, there has to be I guess just so that Mirror Stamets can explain how it works to Prime Stamets. But if Mirror Stamets was using the spore drive to jump his ship, then Mirror Lorca should know all about it and how it works probably, and then the whole season of Discovery doesn't make sense because it's all about how his crew is trying to make it work and he doesn't know how to tell them what to do. So instead the Mirror Universe spore drive is just a very powerful engine to run the Emperor's city-ship and doesn't have anything to do with displacement. Even though Mirror Stamets knows all about the mycelial network and stuff. And since the MU spore drive doesn't jump anywhere let alone to parallel universe, Mirror Lorca just came to the prime universe because of some energy storm. In really felt like they were making this stuff up as they went. Like whatever they had in mind for Lorca before the midseason break just got chucked.


The whole spore drive thing... yeah... not one of my favourite things from Discovery. It doesn't make any sense that Star Fleet even in the pre captain Kirk era had a drive system that could put a Borg Transwarp conduit to shame... And then... was never seen again. The spore drive is a real finger to continuity.


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    The midseason break also felt like they chucked whatever they had in mind for Ash Tyler. The revelation that he's actually Voq just crushed down into a human body was sort of ... interesting, I guess. Again I wondered about the timing. Voq was the albino that the Klingons left for dead on the wreck of the Shenzhou, wasn't he? When did L'Rell have time to convert him to Tyler? I felt like Lorca had already rescued Tyler by then. Anyway, he's a Klingon modified to a human, I guess we saw that before with Arne Darvin on TOS. Gives you new perspective on him. I guess if he underwent that painful procedure in order to poison a grain shipment, I could understand why he'd be mad at being outed by a Tribble. Mad enough to hold a grudge for 80 years. He aged well, though.


Klingons were meant to look human during this time period due to what happened in Archers day with their attempts at making augments. The Klingon appearance is yet another finger to continuity.


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    Stamets I liked, all in all. He's weird, and he starts out as a very condescending jerk. But we understand he's not really Starfleet, he was a civilian scientist whose work was stolen by Starfleet and he only signed up to make sure they didn't misuse it. He mellows out. Why wasn't Mirror Stamets more of a mad scientist like Phlox? The two Stametses seemed like besties. My question is why did the Tardigrade practically die from being in the spore drive for a couple of days but Stamets can tolerate being in there for weeks, hundreds of jumps with no apparent ill effects? And now he has a nifty time-sense like Guinan or something. I wonder if she only had that because of the time she spent in the Nexus? Hey, maybe the Nexus is just a rip in the mycelial network?


I don't really know... maybe because Stamets wanted to do it? That's my theory.


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    Saru was hard on Burnham, which was good. But he parroted the lie that she was responsible for the Klingon war. Not true. In fact, if they had done as she suggested, they might have prevented the war. He should only have held her responsible for mutiny and possibly for getting Georgiou killed, although he would recognize that Georgiou was in charge and made her own decision.


Oh it definitely is true. She is responsible. She killed their "Torchbearer", mutinied and tried to fire on a Klingon ship and while Sarek said that's what Vulcans did we can't be sure how the Klingons would have reacted here because they wanted a war, and then, Burnham killed their main target instead of capturing him, the guy who could have stopped the whole thing. It really is mostly Burnham's fault.


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    I got to like Sarek eventually but he just seems too warm for Sarek. When Mark Lenard played him, he had a constant scowl like he was mad at everything and just didn't like you. Same thing with Ben Cross in the movie, he was too warm, telling Spock "I married your mother because I loved her." Sarek wouldn't say that. He hated admitting his feelings, like on TNG. And in Star Trek IV when Spock says "I stand with my friends" and Sarek says "Yes ... of course" like he doesn't understand the concept of friendship. This Sarek seems like understands emotions and even values them, even if he doesn't practice them. But saying that they can now mind-meld across space because he gave Burnham a piece of his katra/soul, which he did because katras can heal physical injuries. Where do they come up with this stuff? It's all plot-driven science. Maybe it always was.


They definitely softened Sarek a hell of a lot in this series. But there were times in the old days when Sarek did show some modicum of feeling. But yes Mark Lenard gave an excellent Vulcan performance. As for the Kelvin timeline, that I excuse because Sarek had just saw his planet destroyed, and his wife killed. At that point he had nothing to lose... but yes, this Sarek is too... nice. And also the mind meld across space was utterly ridiculous like something from a fan fiction story. In fact Burnham's entire existence is like fan fiction to me.


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    Speaking of wonky science, Harry Mudd creates a time-loop with his wristwatch thingee. Burnham says "oh, he must be using time crystals." Because time crystals are a thing now.


Burnham solved the time loop. Even though only Stamets was the only other person aware of the loop... So I agree with you comments about that. Yes why did Burnham have to the be the one to solve it all.


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    Actually, I think it goes back to when Ed Begley Jr. on Voyager reverse-engineered Braxton's timeship and created the microchip in the 1960s which apparently never happened in the "original" TOS timeline, so they have more advanced technology in Discovery's time than we originally saw in Kirk's in TOS (Future's End, also written by Brannon Braga). And it's fair, the Mirror Universe reverse-engineered the TOS Defiant so they have advanced tech too. So by the timeframe we're seeing on Discovery both universes have technology more advanced than what we saw on TOS. That's my No-Prize attempt.


Its a damn good explanation. I approve.




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