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Subj: Re: Episodes that don't work...(Some bad and good ones from season 4 of DS9)...
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 at 09:47:52 pm EST (Viewed 103 times)
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We all love Star Trek, but there are a ton of episodes of various series that just didn't work. And when you look at Memory Alpha or somewhere like that even the writers, actors, and others behind the scenes will admit "yeah we tried it, but it just didn't work"

What are some episodes you've seen lately that didn't work.

I'm in the middle of the 4th season of DS9 and it is a bit of a rough patch.

I started with "Bar Association" which was really good. Star Trek "union movie" that's better than most union movies. ;\)
    
"Accession"- Here is an episode that almost worked but REALLY didn't. Sisko doesn't want to be the Emissary and some Bajoran guy from 200 years ago comes out of the wormhole and thinks he is the Emissary so Sisko says "okay, you do you I'm outie 5,000." BUT it turns out the new Emissary immediately brings back the Bajoran CASTE system (that we have never heard of and thankfully never hear of again!) That throws everything into chaos. Bajor isn't going to be able to join the Federation, Kira is going to have to be an artist even though she can't sculpt to save her life. So Sisko goes in the wormhole and talks to the Prophets and finds out oh he is the Emissary after all....Is it just me that hates this episode? It makes Bajorans out to be the DUMBEST people. Blindly following the Emissary off the nearest cliff. Heck in one scene you find out the friendly priest threw a guy off a balcony and killed him because he was from an unclean caste.     

Rules of Engagement- Another episode that almost works but doesn't. I LOVED the Klingon lawyer in this episode. I think he might be my favorite Klingon ever! But as one of the writers of this episode said "It's a Worf episode where Worf is hardly in it." And the ending was the worst part for me. Worf gets off the hook for firing without confirming the target because it turns out to be an elaborate ploy to discredit him, so all Worf gets is tough talk from Sisko when really he deserves a demotion or a court martial.     

Hard Time- Miles has the memories of 20 years in prison downloaded into his brain and has to reconcile that with returning to his old life and it almost destroys him. I'd say this episode was brilliant but it is reduced to meaninglessness because IT IS NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN (sorry that is my main pet peeve with Star Trek that characters go through these life changing events but somehow don't actually change).     

Shattered Mirror- I love the mirror episodes. I always wish there were MORE of them.     

The Muse- I haven't watched this one yet it is next and I AM TERRIFIED! I know it is going to be bad, but I am afraid I can not prepare for how bad it will be!

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I suppose I could analyze the various episodes I didn't like, but that would be time consuming. I can tell you what I generally didn't like about the various Star Trek shows. The re-curring time travel episodes in Enterprise pretty much ruined the show. The writers couldn't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that they were doing a prequel. Not that I didn't like the Xindi storyline, but add that to the Suliban and the Na'Kuhl, and the idea just seemed to dominate the show. Only in the fourth season did they finally get around to telling some exciting stories that had to do with the time period. But, by then it was too late, the show lost so much of its audience. And it's a shame, because I was at a Q & A with Jeffrey Combs, and he said Shran was supposed to be added to the cast, and join the crew. That would've been fantastic.

In spite of the love that most people had for Next Generation, I thought it was the worst of the series. The cast was weak, and there was WAY too much attention paid to the personal lives of the crew. So many episodes were melodramatic, almost soap opera fare. What didn't work for me the most was the presence of families aboard a military/exploration vessel. And a kid at helm. I also didn't buy the whole retcon of Klingons being all about honor, and having some kind of warrior code. They've nothing more than a race of galactic thugs.

DS9 worked much better. Outstanding stories, in general. Plenty of excitement, great acting, great supporting cast. Just great. A couple things didn't work quite well for me about the show. I thought Sisko's role as emissary was a little convoluted. But, most of all, I didn't buy for one minute the idiotic passing of the mantle of Grand Nagus to an imbecile like Rom. It was obvious that some exec at CBS decided the Ferengi worked better as comic relief, so they should be incorporated into the Federation down the rode. But, the preoccupation with wealth, and the outright sexism made that impossible. So, this ham-fisted attempt at re-writing the raison d'etre of the Ferengi. Any race with a fixation on Rules of Acquisition would assasinate Rom first change they got. It was utterly preposterous.

Voyager....Neelix and Kess didn't work for me. Mercifully they got rid of her. I suppose it could be said that Voyager eluded the Borg a little too easy. I liked the show. The cast was much better than Next Generation. The writing was much better. And the finale was head and shoulders better than TNG and DS9.

Going forward, anything based on Abrams' Star Trek will never work for me. I watched the first two episodes of Discovery, and hated it with a passion. I'll never watch again. And the return of Picard? he's too old. And the 'destruction of the Romulan Empire' is even more absurd than the conversion of the Ferengi. One planet does not an empire make, even if it is the homeworld. The Romulan Empire is composed of hundreds of worlds. No way does it get destroyed by on super nova. Civil war? Sure. The loss of the homeworld would trigger every warring faction in the empire. That could be interesting. But not this refugee business that Picard is said to be involved in. That's a non-starter for me.


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