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Subj: Re: Episodes that don't work...(Some bad and good ones from season 4 of DS9)...
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 at 12:40:22 pm EST (Viewed 299 times)
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We all love Star Trek, but there are a ton of episodes of various series that just didn't work. And when you look at Memory Alpha or somewhere like that even the writers, actors, and others behind the scenes will admit "yeah we tried it, but it just didn't work"

What are some episodes you've seen lately that didn't work.

I'm in the middle of the 4th season of DS9 and it is a bit of a rough patch.

I started with "Bar Association" which was really good. Star Trek "union movie" that's better than most union movies. ;\)
"Accession"- Here is an episode that almost worked but REALLY didn't. Sisko doesn't want to be the Emissary and some Bajoran guy from 200 years ago comes out of the wormhole and thinks he is the Emissary so Sisko says "okay, you do you I'm outie 5,000." BUT it turns out the new Emissary immediately brings back the Bajoran CASTE system (that we have never heard of and thankfully never hear of again!) That throws everything into chaos. Bajor isn't going to be able to join the Federation, Kira is going to have to be an artist even though she can't sculpt to save her life. So Sisko goes in the wormhole and talks to the Prophets and finds out oh he is the Emissary after all....Is it just me that hates this episode? It makes Bajorans out to be the DUMBEST people. Blindly following the Emissary off the nearest cliff. Heck in one scene you find out the friendly priest threw a guy off a balcony and killed him because he was from an unclean caste.     

Rules of Engagement- Another episode that almost works but doesn't. I LOVED the Klingon lawyer in this episode. I think he might be my favorite Klingon ever! But as one of the writers of this episode said "It's a Worf episode where Worf is hardly in it." And the ending was the worst part for me. Worf gets off the hook for firing without confirming the target because it turns out to be an elaborate ploy to discredit him, so all Worf gets is tough talk from Sisko when really he deserves a demotion or a court martial.     

Hard Time- Miles has the memories of 20 years in prison downloaded into his brain and has to reconcile that with returning to his old life and it almost destroys him. I'd say this episode was brilliant but it is reduced to meaninglessness because IT IS NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN (sorry that is my main pet peeve with Star Trek that characters go through these life changing events but somehow don't actually change).     

Shattered Mirror- I love the mirror episodes. I always wish there were MORE of them.     

The Muse- I haven't watched this one yet it is next and I AM TERRIFIED! I know it is going to be bad, but I am afraid I can not prepare for how bad it will be!


I don't think I had any major problems with any of those episodes. Like I think Accession was a story that sort of had to happen...there needed to be an episode where Ben's role as Emissary is put in doubt by a faithful Bajoran.

I think DS9 had some rough episodes in seasons 1 and 7 but by season 3 through the early half of season 6 I thought the episodes were usually pretty darn good.

My least favorite DS9 episodes

Move Along Home
Melora (I feel like Orville kind of borrowed some ideas from this episode a bit in a recent episode)
Profit and Lace
The Emperor's New Cloak
One Little Ship (Honey I Shrunk the Runabout)

I usually LOVE the Ferengi episodes while true Trek fans hate them. But I just did not like Profit and Lace one where Quark becomes a woman to prove that women are smart enough to do business. I also loved the first few Mirror universe episodes but I did not like Resurrection or Emperor's New Cloak episodes.

Move Along Home is that annoying episode where those annoying aliens play some murdery game or something. Melora was about how handicapable crippled people are or something and has this alien lady in Star Fleet with this really abrasive personality and an inability to walk in normal gravity.

I know a lot of people say they disliked Let He Who Is Without Sin or Time's Orphan but I don't remember disliking those episode. Or the Muse really.

The episodes I usually disliked were the one offs that didn't really showcase the supporting characters (non main cast) and dealt with a bunch of aliens never to be seen again. DS9 had such a great stable of supporting characters like Kai Winn, Dukat, Garak, the female changeling, Weyoun, Brunt, Gaila, Ishka, Zek, Eddington, Martok, Kasidy etc that if one of them was in an episode I was usually happy with the episode. Usually anything dealing with the Cardassians, the Dominion, the Ferengi, or the Klingons I was into it (but the Bajor centric episodes were kind of hit or miss). I also thought the Dax centric episodes while not awful...were still pretty weak. Her story just seemed like a lone discordant note on the show that never quite meshed with the other elements in the symphony. Everything else always seemed to fit together except Dax's stuff.

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