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Subj: Re: Here's what's wrong with movie making in Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 at 02:57:29 am EDT (Viewed 36 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Here's what's wrong with movie making in Hollywood.
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 at 07:49:49 pm EDT (Viewed 37 times)



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    Hawkeye has always been a huge part of the Avengers.


Oh, far from always.

He doesn't join until issue 16, and hangs out with them until issue 109. But not always as Hawkeye. During this period he has his own Hank Pym style crisis of confidence and spends some 40 issues as Goliath.

He then makes a bunch of guest appearances, but doesn't rejoin the team until issue 172. This turns out to be a brief homecoming as he's kicked off the team in #181.

His next period of membership starts in #221 and ends (kind of) in #243.

At this point he gets to lead a team of Avengers. But it's the 'B' team - an affiliate branch. He quits in West Coast Avengers #45, rejoins in issue #60, and sticks around until the book folds with issue # 102.

He doesn't return to the main team until issue # 397 and stays until the book folds with # 402.

His next stint as a member starts in vol 3 issue # 4, but only lasts until # 9. He's then back for a fifteen issue run between issue 73 (488 in old numbering) and 502. And that's it for the original run of the book.

I don't have the numbers for anything after the Disassembeld storyline as I dropped the book, but I think I've made my point: Far from being 'always a huge part' of the team, there are actually HUGE chunks of Avengers history that Hawkeye is simply not part of, AND another period where he was relegated to leading the 'B' team.

Plus, in all that time, I can only think of ONE story off the top of my head that really revolves around Clint - the three-parter in issues 63 to 65 where he becomes Goliath. The rest of the time he's just another part of the team battling external threats, or part of another Avenger's storylines.

I'd certainly agree that Hawkeye FEELS like he's been a regular member practically since day one, but it's an illusion caused by a couple of extended periods of membership. The reality is quite different.


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    You're kind of right about Black Widow. And she was the biggest mistake of the Avengers movies.


Mistake or not, her film will be opening next year.

Where's the big budget Hawkeye standalone film?

Not even a consideration.



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