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Subj: Re: Here's what's wrong with movie making in Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 at 03:15:55 pm CDT (Viewed 230 times)
Reply Subj: Here's what's wrong with movie making in Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 at 08:17:36 am CDT (Viewed 267 times)

    No where in the article does it mention the folly of hiring the same writer to butcher the same story line twice (Kinberg).

The Phoenix saga was a BIG storyline. IMHO to do that any justice in a film, it would need similar build up as we got with Thanos, a slow burn so to speak. Either that, or simply don't bother. Its too much to do in one film.

    Or the stupidity of portraying biological siblings as coming from different ethnic backgrounds,

As I recall when they announced that Michael Jordan would be playing Johnny Storm in the reboot, there was a lot of negative fan reaction to that. In addition and equally if not more importantly to it being a strange idea, Jordan's limited strengths as an actor lie in playing the resentful, chip on his shoulder malcontent. Johnny Storm is not outwardly like this.

    The blame always goes to vague concepts like viewer fatigue with the franchise

Yes, typically the current modus operandi is "blame anything and everybody but ourselves."

For example game of thrones, Kit Harrington told fans if they don't like Series 8 to go and "F*** yourself." Very professional there Harrington. Sophie Turner said its "Disrespectful" to not like series 9 because they all worked "really hard"

Blaming the fans is the way to go. Star Wars blamed the fans, Paul Feig's crappy Ghostbusters reboot attempt blamed fans called them all sexist. Basically, in TV and Film now, if the film bombs, the fans are to blame.

    Fantastic Four: Don't shoe-horn minorities into the cast. The FF is a family, every identifiable group doesn't have to be represented. If they want a minority so bad, then remind the audience that Ben Grimm is Jewish. Reed is an alpha male, not some dork who's into science. Hollywood seems to be hooked on the stereotype that scientists have to be socially awkward and incompetent. Reed leads the team, authoritatively. Dr. Doom is a dictator from Latveria, and he wears battle armor. No changes to his origin. He's a megalomaniac. Period. And Galactus isn't a cosmic gas formation. Once that's established, hire a writer/director who knows a thing or two about science fiction. The movie won't be a success if the director's only experience has been making romantic comedies.

I hate that about films with scientists. Its always scientist = socially inept nerd. I blame the Big Bang Theory for this. Reed is not lacking in "take charge" attitude, in the comics you could argue he's a borderline arrogant sod who is clever AND he knows it! Ben is Jewish, I forgot all about that!

Doom having his own superpowers I think is done because the villain needs to have it. This comes back to your early point about "formulas" in the right usage formulas are great but if you use the wrong formula at the wrong time you get a lot of stuff wrong.

    The X-Men. Don't reinvent the wheel. Start with the original team, which would build Cyclops' reputation BEFORE Wolverine shows up. If Wolverine is there from the start, then the movie becomes WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. I'm not interested in watching a movie about a team of one guy. Let Wolverine be introduced as a solo project, and free the X-Men to actually engage in character development for the others. Use the comic book cast and timeline. Don't deviate from a successful story. The Dark Phoenix story doesn't have any emotional weight if no one knows anything about Jean Grey, and Cyclops. And for God's sake, don't take that idiot woman's advice from the article above, and rename the X-Men to something more inclusive to women, and make the team female-centered, and change their purpose to being explorers. We don't need yet another executive who doesn't understand why the X-Men are popular.

I disagree a bit here about Wolverine. I think it'd be very hard to have an x men film without him now. And the other flip is, Hugh Jackman is so iconic in this role any replacement has got a really hard path to follow.

Rebooting the X - men will be a lot harder than the FF I think. For the wolverine problem, and also for the PC aspect as now men are the fairer sex.... apparently...

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