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Vincent

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Subj: Re: Here's what's wrong with movie making in Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 at 11:38:57 am EDT (Viewed 71 times)
Reply Subj: Here's what's wrong with movie making in Hollywood.
Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 at 09:17:36 am EDT (Viewed 89 times)

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https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/dark-phoenix-bomb-suggests-marvel-has-reboot-work-cut-out-for-it-130000228.html


So here we have 'creative' people in Hollywood contemplating how to fix the mess made with the Fantastic Four and X-Men. Words like 'formula' and 'diversity' and 'vision' are trotted out, indicating that the executives have no idea how to make a good movie. Even when the source material is right there for them to read. They could even consult the fans, if they weren't so imperious about their jobs. No where in the article does it mention the folly of hiring the same writer to butcher the same story line twice (Kinberg). Or the stupidity of portraying biological siblings as coming from different ethnic backgrounds, TWICE (Fantastic Four). The blame always goes to vague concepts like viewer fatigue with the franchise (which is hard to justify given super hero comics have had a loyal following for decades).

To integrate them successfully into the Marvel Universe, here's what they should do:

Fantastic Four: Don't shoe-horn minorities into the cast. The FF is a family, every identifiable group doesn't have to be represented. If they want a minority so bad, then remind the audience that Ben Grimm is Jewish. Reed is an alpha male, not some dork who's into science. Hollywood seems to be hooked on the stereotype that scientists have to be socially awkward and incompetent. Reed leads the team, authoritatively. Dr. Doom is a dictator from Latveria, and he wears battle armor. No changes to his origin. He's a megalomaniac. Period. And Galactus isn't a cosmic gas formation. Once that's established, hire a writer/director who knows a thing or two about science fiction. The movie won't be a success if the director's only experience has been making romantic comedies.

The X-Men. Don't reinvent the wheel. Start with the original team, which would build Cyclops' reputation BEFORE Wolverine shows up. If Wolverine is there from the start, then the movie becomes WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. I'm not interested in watching a movie about a team of one guy. Let Wolverine be introduced as a solo project, and free the X-Men to actually engage in character development for the others. Use the comic book cast and timeline. Don't deviate from a successful story. The Dark Phoenix story doesn't have any emotional weight if no one knows anything about Jean Grey, and Cyclops. And for God's sake, don't take that idiot woman's advice from the article above, and rename the X-Men to something more inclusive to women, and make the team female-centered, and change their purpose to being explorers. We don't need yet another executive who doesn't understand why the X-Men are popular.


Do What Marvel did to Spider man Homecoming and What Comic creators had been doing for years after Origin stories and the Original creators had left the book: Craft a NEW ORIGINAL STORY, ADVENTURE, LOOK, OR PATH for the hero, but keep elements of the hero true.

Look at Nolan's Batman series, Begins and Dark Knight, he kept the driven, obsessive Bruce Wayne to fight Crime, that he invented Batman, the vigilante, working with the Police and the Politician. Then the Joker showed up and F**ked everything up. These are elements and themes in Batman books but crafted to a Cinematic look.

The Xmen and Fantastic Four movies just became rewrites of the books. Reflective and Nostalgic, but offered nothing new. Those 90s Batman sequels were remakes or cookie-cut versions of the Tim Burton Batman movie, Celebrity badguy(s), crazy scheme to destroy Gotham, new version of Batmobile or vehicles or weapons and a fave like Robin, Batgirl, Catwoman, ...like what Hollywood has been doing for years, find a HIT and do that over and over again.

Those Marvel movies, after the Origin movies, the characters went on to emotional ups and downs, new adventures with elements of their books in the movie, and different twists and turns. Like the Mandarin becoming an actor, Corporate greed and money behind Terrorism, ...Secret organizations within America's government, ...new takes on Marvel's space characters.

With Daredevil, ...his book was a standard superhero comic book, bad guy does something evil, DD battles foe, goes on adventures in Savage land, Europe, etc. Then Frank Miller came on board (Around issues 100 plus), made Daredevil a Ninja, introduced Elektra, re-invented Bullseye and Kingpin. That became Daredevil comics for years. Then Miller came back, destroyed DD's law business, drove DD into religion and made him a cook.
And the TV series just took elements of all that, made 3 seasons of the great superhero adventures that everyone must see.


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