Dave Galanter
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Subj: Re: He has always been upfront about why he left...
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 at 06:35:24 pm GMT (Viewed 84 times)
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    Which is how I sort of felt about the Smith era. Great Doctor but some of the stories were a bit too complicated and were focused onto things that made little sense to me. Or were just trying to be too meta for me. Or focusing too much on the companion at the expense of the Doctor, although that got worse after 11.

That's an interesting point, as there was a crossroads reached in that run (probobly series 6) where I too was having trouble following the narrative and making sense of Moffatt's increasingly dense and fractured plotting - 'The Wedding of River Song' left me thinking that if even a sci-fi/fantasy fan like me was being left in the dark by it then the general public...?!!! Surely they couldn't make any sense of it.
But the reality was the ratings were still very strong, hence I accepted that it WAS me, the public were fine with it.

In hindsight it is clear that Moffatt was directly altering the series to match the output and narrative styles of American streaming television. The dense intricate season-long narratives of Breaking Bad and Dexter are two examples, 'Lost' would have been another, and while it was hard going at the time what Moffatt does leave behind as a legacy is a run that stands up to rewatching because of this approach. Even Peter Capaldi's era will be reassessed and enjoyed in a new light when looked back on and binged.

With Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker's reign on the other hand, I am not as confident. Too shallow, too lacking in actor and characters chemistry to ever really engage the viewer of the future...

Maybe, but some of those shows are not looked back that fondly on like Dexter or Lost. Breaking Bad is I guess, but I get the point.

There is not an issue with an overarcing meta plot. And that is not really that unusual for a story but it can vary on how much they beat you over the head with it.

For instance, the finally for the Missing Earth in the 10th Doctor's run was pretty much built on throughout the series. Various references to historically missing planets, moons etc. We just did not get the payoff to it until the end.

I feel with Moffat the issue, at its worse, that it was not possible to really enjoy episodes unless the series as a whole was taken into account.

It is a personal preference thing, but having gone back and rewatched them a few times, they are still hard to follow. Perhaps easier than they were coming out one at a time but still not easy.

My wife is a fan of the show as well, but is not as into such things as I (being the bigger fan of details), but she was lost initially and still was confused on rewatch. I think she was able to gather more why I have mixed feelings on Amy though.

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