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Subj: Re: A legitimate grievance is still a legitimate grievance.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 at 02:03:43 pm EST (Viewed 169 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A legitimate grievance is still a legitimate grievance.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 at 08:46:53 am EST (Viewed 178 times)



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    The one thing overlooked in the question of whether NATO should have stayed around, is Poland.  In fairness, the US and Western Europe love doing that,

    Poland was where the Soviet version of NATO, the Warsaw Pact, was formed, and they joined NATO fully in 1999, which was after a lesser partnership starting in, I believe 1996.

    Admittedly, Poland is a little nuts at times, especially when it comes to Russia,  being under the thumb of Fascists or Communists for half a century will do that.

    However, Russia was in shambles in '96.  I can't help but wonder if they saw this as an eventuality.

    Also, Russia has worked with NATO before, under Putin even,  In 2002 the Russia-NATO council was formed.  It continued actions until 2014, when Russia first invaded Ukraine.

    When Putin has been willing to play ball with NATO in the past, claiming its existence is a potential part of the problem is a title more complicated.

    That would mean that for 12 of the 23 years he has been in power he saw them as potential pawns... I mean allies.

    The grievance about NATO seems to be that that they did not want to work with him after he invaded a sovereign nation.

Fair. 

I mean I do think it matters but I also think that it could have gone two ways and Putin made the call as to what the relationship was going to be like. NATO at the core was to counter the Soviets, not Russia or any former Soviet state. Putin made that call. 

Really, Putin has never acknowledged that Ukraine is a legit state and is doing that now despite them being a country since the early 90's. And it was made worse when the Russian lacky was booted in like 2013 or so. He has called them Nazi's and made claims about the Ukranian government comiting genocide. 






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