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bd2999 
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steve

Member Since: Tue Jan 06, 2015
Subj: Re: A legitimate grievance is still a legitimate grievance.
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 at 10:00:23 am EST (Viewed 132 times)
Reply Subj: Re: A legitimate grievance is still a legitimate grievance.
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 at 09:31:08 pm EST (Viewed 122 times)



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    I think it helps to keep in mind that NATO is literally an ANTI-Russian organization. 

    Mmmmm... I dunno that it's so much anti-Russian as it is anti_Russian/Soviet aggression, anti-Russian/Soviet imposition of authoritarian governments on its neighbors. And the way things are shaping up, it seems like its a necessary alliance. It's easy to understand that Russia doesn't like it, but the best way to way to dissolve it is to stop threatening their neighbors and start cooperating for the greater good. If Putin had put as much effort into building a healthy economy for Russia as he has into enriching himself and his friends they could be the envy of the world.

    And please don't think I'm forgetting the misdeeds of the US and other countries. That's a whole other discussion that I'm willing to have

Yeah, I sort of agree with that. I mean NATO did have much less meaning after the Soviet Union fell but still fell into a role of monitoring the status. Really, if anything Putin has done more to bring it back to the forefront than anything. So we can argue the chicken or the egg situation. 

No question it is a major thorn in Russia's side, but it is also clear that Russia had a couple ways out of the whole thing. Become a functioning member of the international society and give them no reason to be or continue actions to spread discord and expand influence in more and more questionable means. Which is what they chose. 

Perhaps it is true that NATO guided that, but I do not think they would have been perturbed anyway given the government of Russia under Putin has been described as a mob boss situation before. 

To me that the US has done bad things is true, but does not get Russia out of much of anything either. I know that is not LGDB point but to me it reads that way at times. 

It is akin to the it is everybody's fault but my own argument. Even if there are valid concerns wrapped in. Hell Russia also invented a few of their own to justify the conflict other than NATO.






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