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Late Great Donald Blake 

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Subj: This is just a repeat of what Putin said 7 months ago
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 at 06:56:50 pm EST (Viewed 297 times)
Reply Subj: Putin threatens Finland and Sweden
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 at 05:19:35 pm EST (Viewed 285 times)

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Stating there will be military consequences if they join NATO.

If I got that message from him, that's precisely what I would do (join NATO) with a colorful metaphor neatly wrapped in a bowtie.

Curious to know (since I know I'm probably not the most diplomatic guy in this forum), what would be your response?

and many many times before. Ultimately I agree with Anderrson that that it goes without saying Sweden and Finland get to decide their own internal security policy and alliances.

Finland at least has basically dismissed this out of hand as a repitition of the current albeit tenuous status quo.

From what I can tell this isn't a meaningful change from the current diplomatic circumstances: Russia wants assurances that NATO won't continue to expand eastward and NATO remains coy about its expansion as an open policy. Seems like encouraging states like Ukraine and Finland to maintain a neutral buffer states officially in exchange for guarantees that they will be unmolested by Russian aggression seems to me like a reasonable détente that costs neither side anything. Better than World War 3.

--- the late great Donald Blake

P.S. to be clear at this point I think there are very few good clean choices for us to make. So in this late hour, after the guns are already drawn, it's a kind of no win scenario. The real diplomatic work we failed to engage with over the last decade and a half might have prevented this situation.

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