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FreeKyle

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Subj: Re: LGBD, please clarify this dispute
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 at 07:36:31 pm EST (Viewed 154 times)
Reply Subj: Re: LGBD, please clarify this dispute
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 at 06:45:12 pm EST (Viewed 138 times)



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    Then why did they think Atlas held up the heavens, bright boy? How would this make sense except for a flat earth, where the heavens sat atop a solid dome that Atlas was pressing? Either they believed in the mythology, or they didn't. Which one? Laff.


Hey, we've even got flat earthers today.

Belief in one set of ideas doesn't mean older ideas are completely wiped out.

But AGAIN you're moving the goalposts. You said the ROMANS thought the earth was flat. Now you've moved that back to the Greeks (Atlas is a Greek myth).

I hand you a defeat, and you move the goalposts to try to make it look like a victory. Not gonna work. I'm wise to your unethical tactics now.

Atlas does not hold up 'the heavens'. According to Hesiod, Zeus' punishment was for Atlas to hold up the sky. Even later, they start to think of him as a being the heavens revolve around. But he does NOT hold them up.


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    There may have been some, like Eratosthenes who understood better, but not everyone was educated, and the view didn't spread in Greece until the 6th or 5th century BC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth). The mythology of the Greek gods predates the 6th century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus), and so those who dreamed up the Greek gods thought the earth was flat.


You do understand that the 6th century BCE is earlier than the 2nd, right? By the 2nd century BCE the understanding was widespread.


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    Nice try! Your attempt to side track from the bigger point failed (again). Next time, check the historical timelines to understand the context.

    Good advice. You should try it.


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      This is preposterous. You're a nut, seriously! I have NEVER misunderstood that God was playing anything but dumb with Adam. LOL, God even answered his question in the following sentence:


    No, I get that you haven't.

    But then, I doubt you've been exposed to much of the textual criticism on Genesis, nor the position that most biblical scholars hold on it.

    Nor do you understand the origin of Yaweh, who was a war god in pre-biblical Judah (El was top dog in that pantheon, the equivalent of Odin or Zeus. Yaweh was equivalent to Ares/Mars). He doesn't become thought of as 'all powerful' or 'all knowing' until well after the earliest bible stories were written. The story retold in Genesis 1 comes from the period of transition. They'd begun to think of him as a 'creator' god, but they still hadn't given him the omnipresent/omniscient attributes of later stories.


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      Only an imbecile would think that God wasn't asking a leading question. I think of all the missteps you made in this thread, this is the one to circle as your biggest logic fail.


    Or maybe... someone with a little more education in the matter.


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      Ugh, another fail. Jesus was imbued with the Holy Spirit, yes? The virgin birth - she conceived because the Holy Spirit came to her, yes? The Holy Spirit is supernatural, yes?



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      FAIL



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      F paper.



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      *Ear pinch*



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      Stop talking and start listening.


    Okay, enlighten me.

    Was Jesus human, or divine?


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      Because the God of the Bible is supernatural: outside of the universe. He is not composed of the universe, it's more like a canvas on his wall. A pantheist, however, says the universe is God.


    But Jesus WAS god. (John 1:1 ...and the word was God). Extant within this universe, part of the canvas, not outside of it.

    How can God be omnipresent if he's outside of the universe? This is an ABSOLUTE contradiction. If he's everywhere IN the universe, he can't be outside it. If he's outside it, he can't be omnipresent.


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      Good grief. This is elementary level.


    Indeed it is. Theologians have been dancing around these contradictions for millennia.


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      They may think a rock is God, but then they just misunderstand what God is.


    Okay. But how do you know that *you're* not misunderstanding what god is?



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