Quote:“Dog” is often just another word for "canine”. And yet, a dog is always a canine.
Quote:"Pantheism" is often just another word for "atheism”. And yet, ‘often’ must mean that they’re sometimes different? By your reasoning, dogs are not always canines.
Yes, because it's true.
Quote:Is your position that often dog is different from canine?
Quote:Coyne: “If people had a form of religion that did not make statements about reality…and there are some religions like that: that worship nature, pantheism, or maybe Confucianism or some forms of Buddhism. You can call them religions, BUT THERE’S NO GOD, there’s no belief in heaven or hell — though some Buddhists believe in rebirth which is not right. Religions that are non-religious I don’t mind so much.”
AH! NOW! In this case I'm more than happy to say that Coyne is wrong.
Quote:The end. I’m right. Bye bye.
So I've provided you with dictionary definitions.
I've provided you with statements from actual pantheists (Which I notice you've ignored completely).
And STILL you think you're right? Against all evidence to the contrary?
Congratulations! You have one of the most closed and insular minds I've ever encountered.
So now that you understand that Coyne’s position is the same as I described, your interpretation of his use of “often” was a fail. And yet, amusingly, even after acknowledging that Coyne is matching what I’m saying, you didn’t even think to scroll above in your post and immediately edit your claims that “I” was the one who failed in understanding his use of “often”. Laff - I never met an ethical atheist.
Coyne, Dawkins, and I are all in agreement. It’s ironic that the atheist in this conversation is on the other side of the island wading through the dark and totally lost.
Lastly, I don’t need to hear an atheist tell me that he’s not a pantheist. He can claim to be a pantheist, but I don’t need to collect his views any more than I need to collect a transwoman’s views that he’s really a woman.