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Subj: Re: LGBD, please clarify this dispute
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 at 04:49:04 pm EST (Viewed 156 times)
Reply Subj: Re: LGBD, please clarify this dispute
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 at 04:11:15 pm EST (Viewed 196 times)

    What is the pantheist view of creation? Was it a scientific event? Did it happen due to divine influence?
    Do pantheists believe that at one point there was a God who was separate from the universe and conscious, who then imbued Himself/Herself (not sure what pronouns are appropriate) into everything? Did God then lose individuality and/or consciousness? Or is God in everything, but still a conscious spiritual force/being? Could God undo everything if God wanted?
    Do pantheists believe in an afterlife?
    Or is it that there is no uniform view, and that some pantheists will answer these questions differently than others?

They'll answer VERY differently depending on whom you talk to.

The three 'major' religions are all codified and ritualised (God created everything, you must believe in him and worship him, here's the form your worship should take, this is what happens after you die and so on), even though there's wiggle room between the various sects of a given religion. But pantheism seems to me to be the widest and deepest philosophy of all. It ranges from an almost 'classical' view of God, just mapped on to our universe rather than standing apart from it to the 'backgound noise' I described earlier, and can hit any position in that VERY wide range.

Basically, because there's no right or wrong way to do it, pinning down what pantheism actually is is like trying to herd cats. There may or may not have been a moment of creation, the attributes of 'god' vary wildly, and there may or may not be some form of afterlife, reincarnation or continuance after death.

    If pantheists would say that there is no conscious God, and that there is no afterlife, and that they don't have a view on how creation happened, than it is somewhat difficult, for me, to wrap my head around the difference between pantheism and atheism.

Yep. That's why many atheists have the view of it that Coyne has. Richard Dawkins once called it 'Sexed-up atheism' (The sexed-up part being the addition of a god). To complicate things further there's a movement (If that's even appropriate) that likes to call itself Scientific Pantheism, which even tries to remove god from pantheism (So... Why are they calling themselves anything that has 'theism' in the title? Surely they could come up with something that describes them better)?

    I guess it all boils down to the consciousness of God, in the pantheistic view. If God is everything, but is also conscious, and can presumably enact His/Her will upon the universe, than I see a difference between pantheism and atheism. But without a conscious God, I am having difficulty understanding.

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