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Late Great Donald Blake 
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Olorin

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Subj: Re: Interesting points.
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 at 09:26:31 pm EST (Viewed 171 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Interesting points.
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 at 07:53:00 pm EST (Viewed 179 times)

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    LGDB: Yeah I think this just depends on the context. I think it's seriously deleterious with respect to the public sector, especially with respect to elections. I think a very specific thing I would partisian is the difference between how individual actors choose to express themselves and their own money versus how a business does.


I would argue that a business can spend its money in any way it wants as well (subject to internal requirements, like Board approval). But how it spends it, wisely or unwisely, will have consequences. I wish though that businesses could not support political campaigns. I'd argue it's generally bad for society and unsustainable.


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    LGDB: I agree. I'm just suggesting that government censorship isn't the only one to be concerned with, and it's not the only kind that's dangerous either.


Yes, I agree that cancel culture can be dangerous. The mob mentality can get out of control and cancel someone when they shouldn't be. But at the same time, it can be a good thing if we empower regular folks to come together and enact change. Mistakes will be made, and if we learn from them hopefully we don't make them again. I think this is how society learns and grows.


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    LGDB: Oh I definitely agree with this, or at least your point about this being a "bipartisan" problem. No question, conservatives are every bit as invested in the culture war, and plenty of them have no qualms about cancelation. I still remember after the Iraq War kicked off when conservative were on the cancelation warpath (among other kinds of warpaths) and that was comfortably prior to the internet.


Yeah, the hypocrisy is what bothers me. I don't like it when I see conservatives up in arms about cancel culture when they are doing the same thing. Examples: Canceling Colin Kaepernick. Was this just? Canceling Liz Cheney. Was this just?

It bothers me too when liberals do it. I think often times the reason why folks don't see the other side doing it is because they are each in their own echo chambers. There is no balanced view anymore. Again, this is dangerous to society.


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    LGDB: Definitely agree with the former thing. But what makes you think history is a better vantage point to judge things politically? I don't trust it. Especially not with how bad both sides of the American established feels about learning history.


Well, I suppose it depends on who is doing the historical analysis. \:\)
My point was more that cancel culture is itself not inherently a good thing or a bad thing. A lot of concepts that conservatives and liberals complain about themselves are not inherently good or bad. It's the means and desired result that can be good or bad.

Society is not wise enough to always judge the worth of something current. In the two examples I gave above (Kaepernick and Cheney), some people have strong convictions that neither were just. Some people have strong convictions that both were. Some may think one is more just than the other. I guess this is what Obi-Wan meant when he said "...the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view". I believe that to a degree. I think the right and wrong of something can be absolute. But sometimes that "right and wrong" is hard to see in the moment, for some people. And only after society evolves and learns can society collectively look back and say "gosh, that was messed up."

Go back and watch some old TV shows. Even ones from 20 years ago. You will hear things and see things that would, in today's standards, not be ok. Some will interpret that as today's society being "woke" and think it's silly or that it's a bad thing. I think it's a sign of society evolving.

I would argue that a business can spend its money in any way it wants as well (subject to internal requirements, like Board approval). But how it spends it, wisely or unwisely, will have consequences. I wish though that businesses could not support political campaigns. I'd argue it's generally bad for society and unsustainable.

LGDB: If this were the case we wouldn't have minimum wage laws, paid overtime, OSHA or anti-discrimination laws.




Yes, I agree that cancel culture can be dangerous. The mob mentality can get out of control and cancel someone when they shouldn't be. But at the same time, it can be a good thing if we empower regular folks to come together and enact change. Mistakes will be made, and if we learn from them hopefully we don't make them again. I think this is how society learns and grows.

LGDB: I don't disagree with this whatsoever.


Yeah, the hypocrisy is what bothers me. I don't like it when I see conservatives up in arms about cancel culture when they are doing the same thing. Examples: Canceling Colin Kaepernick. Was this just? Canceling Liz Cheney. Was this just?

It bothers me too when liberals do it. I think often times the reason why folks don't see the other side doing it is because they are each in their own echo chambers. There is no balanced view anymore. Again, this is dangerous to society.


LGDB: Canceling Cheney? Not for disagreeing with Stop the Steal. Yes for almost any other aspect of her political career lol




cheers,
---the late great Donald Blake





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