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Upper_Krust

Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subj: Re: Agreed...
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 at 03:07:29 pm EDT (Viewed 53 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Agreed...
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 at 11:10:31 am EDT (Viewed 54 times)



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    The amount of rationalization you're brainwashing yourself with here is astounding. Throughout your post you engage in whataboutism. To say someone else did something you think is as egregious as Trump and somehow that absolves Trump of his failures. It does not and it is a horrible way to justify horribleness. As long as you justify wrong, you will keep getting wrongness.


I'm not trying to justify Trump's mistakes as much as I'm trying to point out LEFTIST hypocrisy. No one is claiming Trump is perfect by any means. But he is not any of the 'ists' and 'isms' the Left try to smear him with.


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    The highest approval rating among horrible approval ratings is still horrible.


The likelihood is that if Obama had been a Republican the Left would have smeared him as an 'Uncle Tom' and he still would not have gained a majority of the African American vote.

We both know minorities generally vote Left Wing...that's part of the reason why The Left (in virtually every country) wants unlimited immigration.

The fact that Trump pulled in 10-15% of the African American vote and 30% of the Latino vote highlights the idiocy behind the Left's claims he is racist.


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    Whataboutism.


I noticed you didn't answer the question.

Hillary (staffers) started the Birther question and Hillary came out with the term 'Super Predators'. If she is also racist (as you infer Trump is) then what you are saying is that every voter in the country voted for a racist candidate.


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    Rationalization.


Do you not agree that the world was different 50 years ago?


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    Oh, that makes it okay then. Let's just start charging criminals for crimes they didn't commit. I'm incredulous.


I didn't say it was a good thing but these weren't exactly good guys.


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    Of course you don't see that as preying on xenophobic fears.


What I see is that anyone crossing the border ILLEGALLY is first and foremost a criminal. Some of them may well be 'good people' but they are still breaking the law.


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    Whataboutism that's wrong anyway:



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    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president-obama-ban-muslims-2011/


Interesting how many staff on these fact-checking sites seem to have past careers as Left wing Journos.

However, if we assume their fact checking is correct then yes Trump's excuse is misleading and the ban more akin to a 'kneejerk' reaction to Islamic Terrorism around the world.


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    "Just happened"? There are lots of Latino American judges, and you shouldn't spread debunked right-wing lies:



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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/07/trump-supporters-false-claim-that-trump-u-judge-is-a-member-of-a-pro-immigrant-group/


Assuming I take the Washington Post at its word (which I will in this case) he was still a member of a group for (exclusively) Latino Lawyers. There was still an element of partisan-ship at play here and we both know it.


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    So if you're at a rally and find yourself marching with the Ku Klux Klan and others chanting racist slogans, do you continue marching with them and decide it's okay to stand alongside them or do you go home? If the former, you are not "very fine people."


If I was protesting the removal of historical statues and there were a small percentage of (racist) idiots trying to hijack the protest then I'd like to think they'd be confronted or chased away.

However, that protest was staged by the 'Alt-Right' with elements of the racist 'Far Right' along to further their own agendas.


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    Trump is a racist.


So 'racist' that millions of Black and Latino people voted for him.


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    You seem to be tone deaf here.


He's only telling it like it is, most people wouldn't want to live in Africa given a choice.


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    Whataboutism.


Dodge to avoid acknowledging hypocrisy.


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    That you conflate Roy Moore's current racism with Ralph Northam's single instance of poor judgment from 35 years ago says a lot.


You criticized something one of Trump's companies did 50 years ago.


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    And most Republicans in federal office repudiated Moore so Trump's racism is all the more apparent in his support. Stop rationalizing it.


He was stupid to vocally endorse him, Moore is undeniably crazy. But we both know Trump was likely just towing the party line on that.


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    No, and they did not. The moment these caravans arrived and nothing happened shows just how much Trump was just using them to promote xenophobic fear.


They didn't attempt the crossing because Trump strengthened the Wall there and sent the Troops in.

Trump is simply highlighting what's actually happening and strengthening the border is just being RATIONAL.

Defending your border is not Xenophobia, its rational common sense.


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    There are lots of reasons. As you yourself noted in this thread, some people vote against their own interests. Evangelicals often put subjects like abortion above sexism.


The country is 15% evangelical at best.


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    Some people voted against Hillary rather than voting for Trump. And are you saying women should automatically vote FOR a female candidate?


You said he was SEXIST. If he's so openly sexist why did 41% of women STILL vote FOR him instead of a female candidate!?

The truth is he's not openly sexist, that's just the narrative the Left will continually run with because all they have is smear tactics. Trump (in private conversation) is occasionally coarse with his language; that's pretty much the sum total of what's happened here.

- Once said in Private: "...the LET YOU grab em by the..."
- Funded a Beauty Pageant where he walked in to the dressing room and saw a couple of bare boobs.

Somehow this gets 7 million people protesting across the world; but Bill Clinton rapes multiple women and the Left LOVES him.

Wake up zvelf its cognitive relativism.


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    You can absurdly try to tarnish what was the largest single-day protest in U.S. history with unproven allegations, but over 7 million people marched worldwide.


I'm sure there were a lot of butthurt Lefties taking to the streets still crying because they lost the election, whipped into hysteria by the mainstream media and bolstered by PAID activists.


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    No, it's blatant transgender phobia. A U.S. Judge decided against Trump on the ban stating, "all of the reasons proffered by the president for excluding transgender individuals from the military in this case were not merely unsupported, but were actually contradicted by the studies, conclusions and judgment of the military itself," and many military generals and admirals publically opposed the ban.


1. They were using the military to PAY for their operations: FACT
2. They have the highest suicide rate of any demographic: FACT

Criticism isn't the same thing as phobia.


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    Your standard for sexism is very low. Your "so many women" are 3 in the Cabinet.


Are you saying if an employer DOESN'T have 50% female staff that they are automatically sexist? Its pure (Leftist, Equality of Outcome) nonsense.


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    This is like the "I have a black friend" argument from racists.


That sounds like the subconscious faux-racism the race-hustlers on the Left always tries to guilt white people with.


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    Wow, another blatant rationalization. No, the contestants themselves have states they were in a state of undress. You just can't help yourself in trying to excuse Trump of every single transgression.


But here is the hypocrisy that annoys me. The Left (and yourself) go on about how bad this is while turning a blind eye to Bill Clinton raping multiple women (and settling the cases out of court).

What Trump did here was at BEST 'a bit cheeky'. Clinton got away with multiple counts of ACTUAL Rape (and Hillary literally defended him and tried to ruin the lives of those women).

In your opinion which is worse zvelf?


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    Trump very obviously does not understand how tariffs work. He tweeted, "Tariffs are NOW being paid to the United States by China of 25% on 250 Billion Dollars worth of goods & products," and "These massive payments go directly to the Treasury of the U.S." That's not at all how it works. Tariffs are a tax on Americans on imported goods. China doesn't pay squat.


Stop being ridiculous, of course he knows how it works. Good grief.




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