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zvelf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Upper_Krust

Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
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Subj: Re: Agreed...
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 at 11:10:31 am EDT (Viewed 149 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Agreed...
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 at 02:55:22 pm EDT (Viewed 183 times)


The amount of rationalization you're brainwashing yourself with here is astounding. Throughout your post you engage in whataboutism. To say someone else did something you think is as egregious as Trump and somehow that absolves Trump of his failures. It does not and it is a horrible way to justify horribleness. As long as you justify wrong, you will keep getting wrongness.


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        If he's so openly racist, why does he have huge support (for a Republican) among African American and Latino American voters?
      He doesn't. I don't know where you get this idea, but African American and Latino Americans do not like Trump. Trump's approval rating among African Americans is around 10-15% and around 30% for Hispanics.
    The highest approval rating among African Americans of any Republican candidate since Reagan and the highest Latino American approval rating for a Republican ever.


The highest approval rating among horrible approval ratings is still horrible.


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      In any case, Trump is clearly racist. As chief promoter of Obama birtherism, Trump played on racist tropes and claimed Obama was not qualified to be president because Obama was not born in the United States and implied he was born in Kenya even though Obama had a birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper and Obama made his birth certificate public. Trump insisted this was the case for 5 years contrary to all evidence.
    The claim started by a Hillary staffer...was Hillary 'super predators' Clinton racist too? If so then you have just suggested every voter in the country was happy to support 'racist' candidates.


Whataboutism.


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      Trump’s company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s for which Trump had to settle with the government.
    The world was a different place 50 years ago. Reading between the lines I presume it was more to do with the perceived value of the apartments.


Rationalization.


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      In 1989, Trump took out full-page ads in all 4 major NYC newspapers calling for the execution of 1 Hispanic and 4 black youths known as the Central Park Five, who were accused of raping a white jogger. Even after DNA evidence exonerated them after years of false imprisonment, Trump still claims they are guilty even though another man has confessed to it and DNA evidence confirmed it. Trump still insisted the Central Park Five were guilty in 2016.
    We discussed this before and the Central Park Five were actual criminals...just not guilty of that particular crime.


Oh, that makes it okay then. Let's just start charging criminals for crimes they didn't commit. I'm incredulous.


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      Trump characterized Mexican immigrants as "criminals and rapists."
    ...and some of them are.


Of course you don't see that as preying on xenophobic fears.


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      Trump's campaign released a statement that said, "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Those are the exact words, all Muslims from everywhere.
    Which was originally an Obama drafted policy.


Whataboutism that's wrong anyway:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president-obama-ban-muslims-2011/


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      Trump said American-born judge Gonzalo Curiel could not be unbiased toward Trump because of Curiel’s Mexican heritage and Trump’s stance against Mexican immigration. House Speaker Paul Ryan said that was “the textbook definition of a racist comment”
    It was curious it just happened to be a Latino American judge and (IIRC) one that had links to pro-Mexican organisations.


"Just happened"? There are lots of Latino American judges, and you shouldn't spread debunked right-wing lies:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/06/07/trump-supporters-false-claim-that-trump-u-judge-is-a-member-of-a-pro-immigrant-group/


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      Trump called those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, "very fine people."
    No what he actually said was that among the protesters there were some good people on both sides.


So if you're at a rally and find yourself marching with the Ku Klux Klan and others chanting racist slogans, do you continue marching with them and decide it's okay to stand alongside them or do you go home? If the former, you are not "very fine people."


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      Trump said 15,000 recent immigrants from Haiti "all have AIDS."
    Statistically it only would have been 315.


Trump is a racist.


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      Trump called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa, which he called "$h*thole countries," and more immigration from overwhelmingly white Norway.
    Many of those countries ARE as he described. I don't see how it benefits America to take in people who are just going to go on welfare regardless of which country they are from.


You seem to be tone deaf here.


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      Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, who was openly racist and said America was great when we had slavery.
    ...and Hillary's mentor was the head of the KKK; but you never hear a thing about it in the mainstream media.


Whataboutism.


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    Although its clear looking over Moore's comments and opinions that he is crazy. I presume Trump was simply towing the party line in that instance - which doesn't excuse anything, but at the same time I wouldn't criticise Obama because he supported a Democrat who's yearbook photo has him wearing 'black face' or dressing in a KKK outfit.


That you conflate Roy Moore's current racism with Ralph Northam's single instance of poor judgment from 35 years ago says a lot. And most Republicans in federal office repudiated Moore so Trump's racism is all the more apparent in his support. Stop rationalizing it.


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      Trump claimed without proof that a Central American caravan of immigrants contained Middle Easterners, again playing on xenophobia.
    Even if we go with the assumption Trump is wrong in his claim, do you think these Caravans of Migrants should just be allowed to walk into the USA?


No, and they did not. The moment these caravans arrived and nothing happened shows just how much Trump was just using them to promote xenophobic fear.


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      That was a very slight majority of white women at 53%, but this is obviously cherry picking as if only white women should count. Overall, Trump only got 41% of the female vote.
    So if he's so clearly sexist, why did he still get 41% of the female vote standing AGAINST a female candidate? LOL.


There are lots of reasons. As you yourself noted in this thread, some people vote against their own interests. Evangelicals often put subjects like abortion above sexism. Some people voted against Hillary rather than voting for Trump. And are you saying women should automatically vote FOR a female candidate?


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      You also might have missed massive protests in the millions led by women after Trump's election.
    Many of those marches included PAID for protesters.


You can absurdly try to tarnish what was the largest single-day protest in U.S. history with unproven allegations, but over 7 million people marched worldwide.


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      and he banned transgender people from the military.
    Which is simply common sense. I addressed that in another reply in this thread.


No, it's blatant transgender phobia. A U.S. Judge decided against Trump on the ban stating, "all of the reasons proffered by the president for excluding transgender individuals from the military in this case were not merely unsupported, but were actually contradicted by the studies, conclusions and judgment of the military itself," and many military generals and admirals publically opposed the ban.


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        If he's so sexist why does he employ so many women?
      Does he? He's down to 3 women in his Cabinet of 23 positions.
    So he doesn't exclude women, ergo he's not sexist.


Your standard for sexism is very low. Your "so many women" are 3 in the Cabinet. This is like the "I have a black friend" argument from racists.


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      That's not as bad as Trump boasting he walked into beauty contestants' dressing rooms to look at them half naked, something confirmed by the contestants themselves.
    By 'half-naked' they could be in their bikini's or something like that, but we all know he's a bit of a Player.


Wow, another blatant rationalization. No, the contestants themselves have states they were in a state of undress. You just can't help yourself in trying to excuse Trump of every single transgression.


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      Trade deficits are not inherently bad economically, and the way Trump is "standing up" to it is costing Americans billions of dollars because Trump doesn't understand that tariffs are taxes on the American people.
    I think he obviously does understand how it works. The idea is that you buy less imported goods and instead buy more locally produced domestic goods.


Trump very obviously does not understand how tariffs work. He tweeted, "Tariffs are NOW being paid to the United States by China of 25% on 250 Billion Dollars worth of goods & products," and "These massive payments go directly to the Treasury of the U.S." That's not at all how it works. Tariffs are a tax on Americans on imported goods. China doesn't pay squat.





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