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Upper_Krust

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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: Re: The positions are pretty simple...
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 at 02:03:24 pm EDT (Viewed 77 times)
Reply Subj: Re: The positions are pretty simple...
Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 at 11:11:15 am EDT (Viewed 90 times)


Howdy Grey Gargoyle! \:\-\)


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      To me I see the (current) Left-Right divide along the two philosophies of Equality of Outcome and Equality of Opportunity.





Of course the funniest debate on this is the infamous Jordan Peterson vs. Cathy Newman interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54




Thanks for that.




It was about 10-12 years ago I was friendly (online) with a handful of people from Marseille who mentioned they were Communists and that much of Southern France had leaned towards Communism since the end of World War 2.


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    It was expected : 50% didn't care to vote.



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    Still, contrary to the appearances, 23% is not a real success for her.



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    She was hoping 25%. That's what she needed to get real leverage over the European Parliament.


Yes I still think its a long way before she could win any General Election...regardless of how badly Macron is doing.


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    On the contrary, Salvini (34%) has clearly become a kingmaker in Italy and, maybe, even in Europe as well.


Well the 3 biggest parties seem to be those of Farage (UK), Merkel (Germany) and Salvini (Italy).




Same thing here in the UK (and apparently Germany).

Big push by the mainstream media here in the UK on Environmentalism these past few months. Not sure how much its being pushed elsewhere in Europe.


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    I think that Europe has been an opportunity for France but that France has not forseen the consequences of some of the shortcomings of the European Union. For example:
    - 28 countries integrated in such a short length of time.
    - deficiencies of the intracommunity VAT.
    - no federal law enforcement agency (NB: Europol is not one).
    - no federal border and coast guard agency before 2015.
    - no European prosecutor to investigate and prosecute transnational frauds.
    - post-1989, France & Germany no longer have had the same goals and the same planning.
    - underestimation of the correlation between the public debts of the member states and the value of the €uro.
    - during the 2008 bank crisis, the member states were the first line of action when it became necessary to help the private banking sector. Each state helped its own banks. There seemed to be little or no coordination at the European level.
    Et cetera.


I know its a long way away (in electoral terms), but how do you see France voting at its next General Election?


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    IMO, the lobbyists are everywhere. In my country, the corruption and revolving doors are even worse at national level.


When you concentrate power among a small group of people (Brussels, Washington) it makes lobbying easier and more far-reaching.


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    I am not sure about that.
    It really started in 2008-2009 with the exposure of the European banks to the US subprime crisis. It had a domino effect and it turned into an economic crisis in Europe.
    At the same time, some of the member states (including France & Greece) were already heavily indebted.
    The €uro is not a bad currency per se. Actually, even nowadays, the €uro is the second largest reserve currency as well as the second most traded currency in the world after the US$.
    https://www.ft.com/content/5859a498-2948-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
    The paradox of the EU is that, contrary to the USA & China, it is a political dwarf and an economic giant at the same time.


The EU is a political dwarf and an economic giant primarily because Germany has no real military (for obvious reasons) meaning they have focused their endeavours on its economy.

So Germany, the beating heart of the EU, is strong economically but weak militarily and thus has limited leverage in political terms.


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    In my opinion, it is not the same because the United Kingdom never joined the €urozone and the core of the European Union is the €urozone.


Ah, good point.

We were told years ago back during the Euro vote that not adopting the Euro Currency would be catastrophic and lead to a recession and our economy would crash. None of which happened (quite the opposite).

Same thing we are being told about Brexit by the mainstream media and Remain supporting politicians. ;\-\)


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    If Italy decides to leave the €urozone, then, there will be an unprecedented financial crisis in the €urozone and, in this case, it is very likely that it would be the end of the European Union as we know it.



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    It doesn't mean that there wouldn't be another multilateral body in Europe to replace it but it would not work in the same way.


I think the EU is unsustainable and will eventually collapse anyway, its just a matter of time.




I thought Italy has been teetering economically for 20 years now.




You address Omnipotence...tread carefully.
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