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Subj: Re: What's happening in the British parliament?
Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 at 08:15:19 pm CDT (Viewed 229 times)
Reply Subj: Re: What's happening in the British parliament?
Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 at 12:27:04 pm CDT (Viewed 260 times)
Cameron wanted to try to unite his party, which has an ERG (European Research Group) made up of euro sceptic Tories. Outside the Tory party, the average punter doesn't give a toss about the ERG.
Quote:Cameron, being Cameron, tried to appease them by offering a European referendum. He's now tried to blame Nick Clegg, by saying he should have stopped him and he never intended to have a referendum. It should be pointed out that Nick Clegg was the leader of the Liberal Democrats who agreed to form part of a coalition.
Quote:The Tories managed to oust Labour, due to the economic downturn. Despite the Tories increasing the net debt for the UK, they successfully managed to pin the global recession on Gordon Brown. Brown has never been a a charismatic figure. Unfortunately the 'new blood' in Labour wanted to also see the back of Brown, so joined in by pointing the finger at him. The new leaders, Ed Miliband had an unspectacular career.
Labour members feeling confused with 'New Labour' and 'Not quite so New Labour', then went to even more left of the spectrum to Corbyn.
Quote:Anyway, Cameron and Osborne (Cameron's old buddy and main political ally) never realised just how much they were hated by the public. Eton educated, which much like Harrows tries to justify it's public school fees by instilling a sense of superiority and disdain for the masses. I have worked in a cavalry unit with officers from here and each and every one of them, believes they were born to lead and the average man on the street is an idiot. I could go on about when they tried to court martial me and it backfired but maybe a tale for another day.
Quote:Anyway, Cameron showed his colours when his austerity measures produced riots in the capital. He cut public services which capped pay in the country, whilst also ensuring politicians got a raise. People like Cameron and Osborne don't need money, their family wealth is massive. They do it for the status of power and advancement of their family status, not for the betterment of their citizens. They have a complete overestimation of their ability and a delusional underestimation of the great British public. They forget themselves that they entered an arena where they are the servants and the public are the masters.
Quote:Cameron did a truly dreadful campaign to remain in the EU. He convinced Obama to tell the UK, they would be 'back of the queue' in any trade deals. It seemed artificial of Obama, he clearly did it with a nod and a wink from the PM. Now, the UK, like any other electorate hate being threatened or undermined by our political servants. All the press and surveys predicted Remain to win. I recall voting and I very nearly voted leave myself. Not because I wanted to leave, but because I hated that idiot Cameron, I hated the hypocrisy of austerity and I wanted to be a tight race as a protest vote to Cameron. I didn't in the end but given there was much misinformation and no clarity on Brexit, I believe that quite a few people did vote out as a protest.
Quote:Now, when you are unsuccessful for whatever reason, it is increasingly easy to point the finger at 'Johnny Foreigner' or for the older generation who are financially secure, they like to dream of a time when the UK was an empire. They fail to see we are in a globalised world.
Quote:As soon as the result came in, Cameron's bottle went. He had no plan. No one knew what was supposed to happen next. So he ran away. He's since been trying to provide advice which anyone with any sense tends to ignore. He's made overtures to potentially be a foreign secretary, with no comment from anyone. As for Osborne? May sacked him on the spot.
Quote:May has had an awful job. With a 48/52 split, a compromise is clearly the only way to manage the EU. With a compromise it also means everyone is going to be unhappy. May simply couldn't get the concessions she needed.
Quote:Now, IMO, I think most politicians would like a 2nd referendum. The people who voted for a protest and those who have genuinely changed thier mind now the realities have sunk in, will be countered by those who are concerned about issues of democracy. There is no clear way to sidestep this issue. I want to remain, I would vote remain in a second vote, but realistically, it would leave me with concerns about parliament ignoring the democratic process. I think this is why they are dragging thier feet and they are hoping for public opinion to shift. Which it won't by the margin they need to win.
Quote:Boris will come in as PM. But he won't be able to sway parliament. Rather than risk being undermined, there will either be another General Election and the amount of chaos he will cause - anything could happen.
Great post Ray.
Ever since the Cameron Referendum, I'm always reminded of the old lawyer adage "Never ask a question in Court you don't know the answer to". That's exactly what he did, he asked the British Public a question which he didn't know the answer to, and their response took him off guard and caused a huge mess.
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