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Errr.... well...

Okay.

Like the vast majority of people I have never heard of him, can barely pronounce his name, and am in urgent need of having my interest and faith in modern Doctor Who restored.

Does this do it? No, not quite. If Davies had decided on a black Doctor, and gone for someone with form (Paterson Joseph for instance), then yes. That is an actor with a pedigree and experience. This guy... is a void.

All I can say is that Davies will have to be delivering some good innovative material, and not bail out after one season as some speculation suggests.

This casting choice doesn't strike me as a commercial one, more an artistic one... which is what worries me the most.



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    Like the vast majority of people I have never heard of him, can barely pronounce his name, and am in urgent need of having my interest and faith in modern Doctor Who restored.



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    Does this do it? No, not quite. If Davies had decided on a black Doctor, and gone for someone with form (Paterson Joseph for instance), then yes. That is an actor with a pedigree and experience. This guy... is a void.


I'm fine with that. After all, the most popular and recognisable Doctor of all - Tom Baker - was a relative unknown too, before taking on the role.

My concern is pretty much the same one I had with Whitaker. I've watched a handful of clips of Gatwa on YouTube since today's announcement, and from what I've seen he suffers from the same lack of screen presence and gravitas as his predecessor.


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    All I can say is that Davies will have to be delivering some good innovative material, and not bail out after one season as some speculation suggests.


To be honest, I think a one-and-done return for Davies would be a good thing. This casting is, I think, a portent of things to come.

I'd like to see a new showrunner who is NOT a Doctor Who fan. Specifically, someone who DIDN'T prop up the bar at the Fitzroy Tavern back in the 1990's (Davies, Moffatt and Chibnall are all part of that elite).

I'd like to see someone who's just a professional, jobbing producer in charge. Someone who's only goal is serving up good Doctor Who, rather than 'making their mark' on the show.


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    This casting choice doesn't strike me as a commercial one, more an artistic one... which is what worries me the most.


I think this casting was driven by neither commercial nor artistic sensibilities. Once again we have a Doctor cast to satisfy BBC internal politics.


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I gather he was cast back around February, and while I have become more excited and supportive by his casting having given it time to sink in, I can also see and appreciate the other side of the fence that says he is not established enough - I do suspect that the watching Russell Davies must have looked on at the reception of Jodie Whittaker's last few episodes and gulped at the audience reception, especially Legend of the Sea Devils, because if he is here to turn this ship around his mission became positively herculean in scale.

I don't think it fair to put this responsibility on such an unknown actor. Indeed if the intention is to sell the show to the mass audience again this guy isn't going to be able to sell anything, as he is a nobody to the mass public. So this show that the public have now cold-shouldered and dismissed now has to somehow convince that apathetic public to give it another chance... and no, Tom Baker didn't have to do this as he came on the back of Jon Pertwee's huge success in the role. The series was already riding high when Baker took over....

If it was any other time I wouldn't be worried. I think this guy is a good actor, I do think he will be okay (probobly!), but he is still a nobody. Landing the role at probobly the lowest point in its life bar the mid 1980s.

I just wish RTD had aimed higher, found a named actor people were familiar with, could get excited and intrigued by right away, and thereby help significantly to build up anticipation for a relaunch that promised a return to greatness was on the way.

But we get this guy, whoever he is... \(fear\)



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Shrugs shoulders.....well we'll just have to wait and see. Give it a few episodes and see if the franchise can recover.


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Yeah, I agree with that viewpoint too! I am giving this guy my support as I think he will/could be rather a fine actor and surprise all - by coincidence I watched Captain America:Civil War which was showing on one of the channels here in Britain and was impressed by how good Chadwick Boseman was, despite not actually having much to do in terms of acting he really made that character his own here and did an awful lot with what was actually very little... that's the sort of prescence this new guy may well have.

But at the same time... it's all about 'the message', you can't avoid that truth. Russell Davies was damned whoever he went with - a white man, a black man, a woman, an american... he couldn't win whichever he went for. And that is all down to the way Doctor Who has sunk into the arms of the online and media progressives who just want to 'tick the boxes' and feel good about doing so.
At this point Doctor Who has just had the first woman in the role, box ticked, but it was something close to a disaster by any rational measurement. What astonishes me is that Russell Davies went for an unknown black actor, someone with a name that is baffling to most people and who few or none have ever heard of, and that is a VERY hard quantity to market for a television show such as this. How do you sell this unknown to the mass audience? In particular a mass audience who have just seen the woman Doctor and delivered a verdict by walking away from the show? And next up - the black Doctor. More of the same kind of pandering? Is this what 'Doctor Who' is now...?

Is Russell Davies aware of this reality - This real very real danger that the audience has already decided on Doctor Who, and just aren't willing to indulge it anymore?

Yes, people will come in for the first episode and the next, but what then if they evaporate, as they did with Jodie Whittaker?

I had thought this was going to be a determined rescue operation from Davies, that he would cast a name, someone marketable and known to the public, and we would see the show being revived and aimed at the mainstream audience once again. But he cast a complete unknown. He is banking the career and ability of this unknown to be able to take on something as major as Doctor Who, and be able to sell it. And I don't think that's fair of him at all given the state of the television series and the utter apathy of the public towards it today.

I do believe this guy is a good actor. But he is coming in at the wrong time in this shows life...



[I also now question the assumption that Bad Wolf has millions to invest in this series - if this actor is as high as they are aiming for then the money really can't be there for this series. This is no way to revive an ailing franchise like Doctor Who - it NEEDS a bankable name right now.]



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I agree that a more well known name would be better for marketing.

But Tennent and Smith and Capaldi have moved on, and Eccleston doesn't really want to return for assorted reasons.

I still would like to see Sean Pertwee take up the role of the Doctor but he doesn't want to be in his father's shadow and I respect that.

But the name Pertwee I would think would draw some fans back.

Or the son or grandson of a previous Doctor like Troughton or Baker.

But the BBC clearly wants to check the boxes as you say.

Now that being said, this new Doctor could be the diamond in the garbage that the franchise now is and revitalize it. Depends on the writing though.

Perhaps they should kick off the new series with a multi-Doctor story and have 14 team with 10 and 11. A brief return of Tennant and Smith could get things moving then see if 14 can fly solo.


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    I don't think it fair to put this responsibility on such an unknown actor. Indeed if the intention is to sell the show to the mass audience again this guy isn't going to be able to sell anything, as he is a nobody to the mass public. So this show that the public have now cold-shouldered and dismissed now has to somehow convince that apathetic public to give it another chance... and no, Tom Baker didn't have to do this as he came on the back of Jon Pertwee's huge success in the role. The series was already riding high when Baker took over....


Oh for sure Gatwa has a much bigger mountain to climb than Tom did. But it didn't matter that Tom was unknown, the name and the legacy of Doctor Who sold season 12. In Tom we got a charismatic actor who was perfect for the role, and that was the icing on the cake. It doesn't matter if Gatwa is an unknown (But see below). IF he's a strong enough actor, IF RTD can deliver the goods and doesn't do anything stupid, and IF enough viewers are intrigued enough to give the show another chance, they may be able to right the ship.

Call me cynical, but I think Gatwa has already achieved his mission: Publicity.

If they'd cast another white male or female, who cares, but the first black Doctor? That's made headlines. And they desperately need people talking about the show right now.

Remember, it's not Gatwa who's been hired to save the show. It's RTD.


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    If it was any other time I wouldn't be worried. I think this guy is a good actor, I do think he will be okay (probobly!), but he is still a nobody. Landing the role at probobly the lowest point in its life bar the mid 1980s.


I've been checking out his CV, and it seems he's far from a nobody.

He's a major player in Sex Education, a Netflix show with over 40 million streams to it's credit for the first series alone.

He's a three time BAFTA nominee for best male comedy performance. WINNER of BAFTA Scotland for Best Actor on Television. WINNER of the Rose d'Or for Performance of the Year 2020. WINNER of the National Comedy Awards for Best Supporting Role. And several other awards and nominations to his credit.

It is interesting though, that neither you nor I had heard of him prior to Doctor Who. Perhaps there isn't too much audience crossover between Who and Sex Education.

I text a few of my friends about him, and they knew who he was. They've all seen Sex Education. But none of them watch Who. And my Who watching friends...No one knew him but then, they've never seen SE.

That's a potential worry. Can he cross over successfully?



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Russel has said categorically this isn't about 'box ticking', he was the best actor suited for the role.




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    Russel has said categorically this isn't about 'box ticking', he was the best actor suited for the role.


And you believe that?


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Depends what he is looking for in the next Doctor.


Or perhaps it should be "He was the best actor for the role that also ticked the box that the BBC is looking to be ticked"


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    Or perhaps it should be "He was the best actor for the role that also ticked the box that the BBC is looking to be ticked"


How about:

On the 'D list' tier of actors, in the subset that ticked the right boxes, and the subset of that subset who were willing to take the risk of accepting the lead role in a series so damaged by mismanagement it's suffered an unprecedented ratings collapse...He was the best we could find.


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I was wondering when we would have breaking news about the future of the show.

I have never watched Sex Education even though the TV show is very popular. At the same time, I don't belong to the core target audience.

So, in my case, I will have to wait & see.


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    Russel has said categorically this isn't about 'box ticking', he was the best actor suited for the role.


If you need proof that Russ doesn't always play straight with the fans...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/exclusive-doctor-who-star-claims-russell-t-davies-spread-fake-casting-rumours/ar-AAXeZ7d?bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=105a3b5d08c2456ab3795f0eb2de98d1


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      Or perhaps it should be "He was the best actor for the role that also ticked the box that the BBC is looking to be ticked"



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    On the 'D list' tier of actors, in the subset that ticked the right boxes, and the subset of that subset who were willing to take the risk of accepting the lead role in a series so damaged by mismanagement it's suffered an unprecedented ratings collapse...He was the best we could find.


Is he? I take RTD's word that he is a great actor who won him over on the first audition, just as Matt Smith swept Steven Moffatt away. However...

Your point does dovetail with what I was saying above about him being unknown.

Going hand in hand with that the other nagging doubt no one seems to have flagged is that in casting such an unknown it doesn't really support the assumed idea that Bad Wolf have Sony money & ambitions and there are millions available in the new Budget for the show. If you had money, and ambition to go with it, you would be surely out there looking for an actor who is a known quantity and therefore marketable. Someone who engages the interest of both the (disillusioned) public, and media alike.

I am probobly repeating myself with all this, apologies if so, but Tom Baker and Matt Smith were unknown when they came to the series, but both came onto a very healthy show that was riding high, and all they had to do was take over and keep the momentum going.
With Ncuti though you have a situation more similar to Sylvester McCoy's and season 24 - a guy coming in on a show that needs a major injection of both star-power, and some enthusiasm from the not-yet-watching public....
I do like the energy RTD and Ncuti bring already. The enthusiasm is everything I had hoped for from the two. But what I feel isn't necessarily what the Public at large feel - they have already judged the Whittaker series and walked away. Casting this guy - black, Immigrant, and gay - might be seen by the masses as a continuation of the ideology of the Whittaker era. A lot will depend on how RTD markets it in the coming year, and whether his story content avoids the huge errors Chibnall repeatedly made in looking down on the audience, and offering lectures rather than escapist stories.

I do wonder a this stage whether Davies fully realises just what bad shape the show, and the publics attitude to it, is actually in. I hope he cast Ncuti for the right reasons, and not just because he ticked the boxes and he personally fancied him...

I have faith. And yet the times we are in do suggest there might be some legitimate worries ahead. I don't know if we could get a showrunner today who focuses on story over agenda...



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I'm open-minded to it, the worry though has to be the public perception, having just had the gender-swap they now have an equally radical race-swap to get their heads around. And I worry that the Public, that unfathomable democracy, will be looking on and now see 'Doctor Who' as... a lost cause? PC nonsense.

The show used to have rules. A set of internal guidelines and limitations - limitations and rules on Regeneration. Limitations and rules on the Sonic Scewdriver, Limitations and rules concerning the characters past on Gallifrey, On ever addressing who he really was in that past life.... all these rules, and more, have been eroded over the last decade or so, to the point they no longer exist. There is very little internal structure to the series and character today.

So this is where you end up - an 'Anything Goes' mentality from those making the series.

On paper the Jodie Whittaker change should have worked. Put aside the fandoms views, and the mass television audience should have embraced this change as it did every previous one... but it didn't.
And you have to ask a very hard question as to why that era, and this change, failed so hard to connect with the audience. They rejected it, the audience of BBC1 were actively stepping around the show on the night by that second season, and put aside your own biases on Whittaker and Chris Chibnall and you have to ask why it was the mass audience reacted so negatively to this very well scheduled and promoted new series...

And how could it also impact this new change coming next.

It's a real worry. I'm not sure Russell Davies has realised this rather obvious (to me) problem. How to sell it to an already disinterested and wise mass audience? Indeed, a possibly burnt-out audience by now...



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    Going hand in hand with that the other nagging doubt no one seems to have flagged is that in casting such an unknown it doesn't really support the assumed idea that Bad Wolf have Sony money & ambitions and there are millions available in the new Budget for the show. If you had money, and ambition to go with it, you would be surely out there looking for an actor who is a known quantity and therefore marketable. Someone who engages the interest of both the (disillusioned) public, and media alike.


I think I've speculated on this before but... I wonder if any actor of note, with any sort of reputation would even consider taking on the part? Even if a given actor isn't aware of the problems the show has had over the last four seasons, any respectable agent/manager would be looking at an offer closely, and I can't imagine them advising their client that accepting would be a good career move.

Perhaps Gatwa genuinely IS the best they can get?


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    I am probobly repeating myself with all this, apologies if so, but Tom Baker and Matt Smith were unknown when they came to the series, but both came onto a very healthy show that was riding high, and all they had to do was take over and keep the momentum going.
    With Ncuti though you have a situation more similar to Sylvester McCoy's and season 24 - a guy coming in on a show that needs a major injection of both star-power, and some enthusiasm from the not-yet-watching public....
    I do like the energy RTD and Ncuti bring already. The enthusiasm is everything I had hoped for from the two. But what I feel isn't necessarily what the Public at large feel - they have already judged the Whittaker series and walked away. Casting this guy - black, Immigrant, and gay - might be seen by the masses as a continuation of the ideology of the Whittaker era. A lot will depend on how RTD markets it in the coming year, and whether his story content avoids the huge errors Chibnall repeatedly made in looking down on the audience, and offering lectures rather than escapist stories.


The more I think about Gatwa's casting, the more I come to realise what a stroke of sheer genius it is.

I said a few years ago that the BBC had put themselves between a rock and a hard place with the failure of the Chibnall era, in particular the casting of the first female Doctor. Her successor couldn't be another white male in an attempt to turn the ship around. The feminists would have kicked up a fuss and generated more negative publicity. And another female? Well, why take the risk?

But casting a black, gay immigrant? Genius. No one dares say anything negative about him because he ticks so many boxes there are a multitude of '-ists' and -'phobes' the detractors can be called. And of course, it's great publicity.

The downside is of course that the majority of the public DO see his casting as being for little more than diversity and representation reasons. Many of the people I've talked to about it (Both fans and non fans) greeted it with an eye roll and a shake of the head.


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    I do wonder a this stage whether Davies fully realises just what bad shape the show, and the publics attitude to it, is actually in. I hope he cast Ncuti for the right reasons, and not just because he ticked the boxes and he personally fancied him...



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    I have faith. And yet the times we are in do suggest there might be some legitimate worries ahead. I don't know if we could get a showrunner today who focuses on story over agenda...


Some VERY legitimate worries I think. I don't know if you've seen this:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/doctor-who-boss-russell-t-davies-talks-ncuti-gatwa-s-new-doctor/ar-AAX4YU8?bk=1&ocid=msedgntp&cvid=09fb337d8b474553982d5d817f72d019

So according to RTD here, the 'fundamental' audience for Doctor Who is 6 year olds.

And he's going to be shoving diversity and representation down our throats.

Personally, I don't think he really believes the first one for a second. He knows full well what the audience is, and it's not fundamentally that young. I think he's trying to create YET ANOTHER myth (On top of the ones he's created in the past) about the show to cover the fact he's going to simply ignore everything that's gone before and take it in his own direction.

The second thing? Speaks for itself, I think.




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    The more I think about Gatwa's casting, the more I come to realise what a stroke of sheer genius it is.

    I said a few years ago that the BBC had put themselves between a rock and a hard place with the failure of the Chibnall era, in particular the casting of the first female Doctor. Her successor couldn't be another white male in an attempt to turn the ship around. The feminists would have kicked up a fuss and generated more negative publicity. And another female? Well, why take the risk?

    But casting a black, gay immigrant? Genius. No one dares say anything negative about him because he ticks so many boxes there are a multitude of '-ists' and -'phobes' the detractors can be called. And of course, it's great publicity.

    The downside is of course that the majority of the public DO see his casting as being for little more than diversity and representation reasons. Many of the people I've talked to about it (Both fans and non fans) greeted it with an eye roll and a shake of the head.

'
It is a bizarre 'coincidence' isn't it. Immigrant, black, and gay... Maybe he really was the best actor who auditioned, maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that he has no currency with the mass public - I am not remotely impressed with his 2 million followers on Instagram as social media is not the real world. Like Onision the man on the street has almost certainly never head of this man, he is a legend only on his social media accounts....

But he might be a terrific actor I confess. A good Doctor. It's just that at the moment the show needs a lot more than an unknown actor to sell it convincingly. Davies should know this - he cast the formidable Chris Eccleston, then rising star David Tennant. He isn't a fool, or at least he wasn't a fool back then...

The commercial realities with Doctor Who today mean it has to be sold not just to the British public, but the American audience. To catch the maximum amount of publicity and attention you really need a bankable name, someone with some respectable pedigree behind them. And even if Davies thinks Ncuti is a good actor, a potential good Doctor, would Lorraine Heggessey and Jane Tranter agree? Would they really sanction this choice if there was a seriously big budget and expectations on the table to get this show back on the rails and back on the road to punching the sort of big mainstream appeal that Ecceleston, Tennant, Smith, all had across the board? Women were attracted to these pseudo-romantic figures, boys wanted to be like him, and virtually everyone wanted to maybe be in the Tardis with them....

Ncuti Gatwa...? I worry. Nobody wanted to be Jodie Whittaker's Doctor. No one fancied her, No one wanted to be in the Tardis with her...

She's the precedent. Is Ncuti the sequel?





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I will wait and see before judging anything. I know nothing about the actor, but I often have not before they became the Doctor.




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This is the very strange reality with this guy - no one I know has ever heard of him. Even the Netflix show he is best known for is fringe - I don't know anyone who has heard of it.
And yet online all I hear is that this show has 55million hits etc, this guy has 2million Instagram followers etc, and is a megastar apparently who will lift Doctor Who into the stratosphere...

It seems to me that people who live on these social media sites believe that these places are the world. But in reality they really do not amount to much when you translate to the mass public arena.

I think he is probobly a good enough actor, but with a public still rejecting Jodie Whittaker I am nervous about this choice. An unknown actor, the first black actor replacing the first female in the role, and she proven as being a step too far for the mass audience... \(euh\)



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    This is the very strange reality with this guy - no one I know has ever heard of him. Even the Netflix show he is best known for is fringe - I don't know anyone who has heard of it.
    And yet online all I hear is that this show has 55million hits etc, this guy has 2million Instagram followers etc, and is a megastar apparently who will lift Doctor Who into the stratosphere...


I mean I guess that means he at least has some base following. Presuming the majority of them are real (I would assume so?). Does not mean they will watch any given show though.


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    It seems to me that people who live on these social media sites believe that these places are the world. But in reality they really do not amount to much when you translate to the mass public arena.


True as far as I can tell, but I do not follow social media that closely to be honest. Outside of messaging friends and memes.


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    I think he is probobly a good enough actor, but with a public still rejecting Jodie Whittaker I am nervous about this choice. An unknown actor, the first black actor replacing the first female in the role, and she proven as being a step too far for the mass audience... \(euh\)


For many I honestly think a black man is less of a jump than a woman, speaking bluntly and overally generally for the public at large. It does not matter to me either way so long as he has the charisma for the part.

I mean I would be lying to you if I said I knew who David Tennant or Matt Smith were before I saw them in Dr. Who though.

Of course those are home runs in most respects and one can hardly expect a repeat of that, but you do need that sort of energy, charisma and presence in addition to good writing and promotion to even have a shot at this point.

With all the folks lost, it basically is a relaunch at this point. Just winning back the fans that left (not the broader audience) is going to be a bit of a battle because of how things have gone down the last few years.






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I mean he may make up stuff I guess, although he had more of a grounding the past series than what followed seemed to. Will this version, who knows but it was off the rails when he came on again.

I mean I do not have issues with changing some things, updates are obviously good in some situations.

The diversity stuff I am generally for, but not as much with a core character unless it is a separate character altogether. At this point it does seem like it is a bit forced.

Which is a shame, because this actor may be great, but he will have the cloud of "you got the job because...". And we will never know either way.




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Eccelston I would concede, but Tennant was largely unknown as well outside of certain circles.

I imagine it is a balancing act on a couple of fronts. It is rarer to have a well known actor step in as opposed to something of a lesser known when they first take the role.

I imagine that helps with budgets and the like as well and the Doctor not suddenly taking on the exact personality of a known star that is good at playing slight variations of themselves.




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The sad thing is I'm not surprised. I expect people to say ignorant things when this kind of casting occurs.


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Where did I go wrong?




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I mean, I think most people responding to this thread went wrong by not calling out Daveym for his "can barely pronounce his name" BS, but I'll move on.

"Which is a shame, because this actor may be great, but he will have the cloud of "you got the job because...". And we will never know either way."

This is ignorant BS. Nearly everyone in this thread wants to hedge their bets so they don't look like a racist. "Yeah, he might be a great actor, but since he checks off certain boxes, we'll always assume that's the only reason he got the role." That line of thinking is super disrespectful to Ncuti Gatwa and Russell T Davies. It makes the assumption that there is no way that Gatwa could have won the role based on talent alone and that Davies couldn't just see Gatwa's talent and think he would make a good Doctor. Nearly everyone in this thread just focused on the color of Gatwa's skin and assumed that the producers wouldn't be able to look past his skin color either. And it's just kind of gross.

Not to mention it's fairly ignorant of the whole process. Even if they did decide from the beginning that they wanted to cast a black actor, do you really believe that talent isn't something they are going to consider? Do you really believe they are going to spend millions of dollars on a show and just hire anyone? Like, even if you don't end up liking Gatwa as the Doctor, or if you didn't like Jodie Whitaker, I think the showrunners that hired them honestly believed they would do well in the role. Are the BBC suits only interested in them because they check off certain boxes? I don't know, maybe, but I think Davies and Chris Chibnall are/were trying to make the best show possible. That doesn't mean they'll succeed.

The thing that makes all of this really terrible is that if people took 5 minutes to do some research before posting they might stop themselves from making asinine comments. I wasn't familiar with Ncuti Gatwa before reading about his casting on this board, but I took a few minutes to find out he was on a show I'd heard of and that he'd been nominated for his acting in it. If this had been a white actor that nobody had heard of, people would have just shrugged their shoulders about his casting. I'm sure the reality of the situation is that Davies saw Gatwa on Sex Education and thought he would be interesting as the Doctor. I just don't know if that reality is something that the people posting in this thread really care about.


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    I mean, I think most people responding to this thread went wrong by not calling out Daveym for his "can barely pronounce his name" BS, but I'll move on.

True enough, that was cringe worthy.


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    "Which is a shame, because this actor may be great, but he will have the cloud of "you got the job because...". And we will never know either way."

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    This is ignorant BS. Nearly everyone in this thread wants to hedge their bets so they don't look like a racist. "Yeah, he might be a great actor, but since he checks off certain boxes, we'll always assume that's the only reason he got the role." That line of thinking is super disrespectful to Ncuti Gatwa and Russell T Davies. It makes the assumption that there is no way that Gatwa could have won the role based on talent alone and that Davies couldn't just see Gatwa's talent and think he would make a good Doctor. Nearly everyone in this thread just focused on the color of Gatwa's skin and assumed that the producers wouldn't be able to look past his skin color either. And it's just kind of gross.

True, but I also think it is true that few know enough about the man to fairly judge him. I have never heard of him and cannot rightly judge if he is a good actor or not. I presume that he is doing it for a living and all. 


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    Not to mention it's fairly ignorant of the whole process. Even if they did decide from the beginning that they wanted to cast a black actor, do you really believe that talent isn't something they are going to consider? Do you really believe they are going to spend millions of dollars on a show and just hire anyone? Like, even if you don't end up liking Gatwa as the Doctor, or if you didn't like Jodie Whitaker, I think the showrunners that hired them honestly believed they would do well in the role. Are the BBC suits only interested in them because they check off certain boxes? I don't know, maybe, but I think Davies and Chris Chibnall are/were trying to make the best show possible. That doesn't mean they'll succeed.

I would agree with that. Although I have not been big on Whitikar but I am not sure if it is because of her or because of the low quality stories she is having to work with. 


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    The thing that makes all of this really terrible is that if people took 5 minutes to do some research before posting they might stop themselves from making asinine comments. I wasn't familiar with Ncuti Gatwa before reading about his casting on this board, but I took a few minutes to find out he was on a show I'd heard of and that he'd been nominated for his acting in it. If this had been a white actor that nobody had heard of, people would have just shrugged their shoulders about his casting. I'm sure the reality of the situation is that Davies saw Gatwa on Sex Education and thought he would be interesting as the Doctor. I just don't know if that reality is something that the people posting in this thread really care about.

I suppose that is probably true. I did google him, but did not recognize much. Which does not mean much of anything in the end. 

I tried to make it clear in my various replies that I did not agree with those views although was not that forceful other than stating my opinion. I do agree with social media presence may or may not mean that much but otherwise I look forward to him giving it a go. And to watching Dr. Who consistently again because I have not watched it live in ages. 






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