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JesusFan


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no need to even regenerate, as has lived on and existed for ehat, millions, billions of years now then?


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Ancient One 

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    no need to even regenerate, as has lived on and existed for ehat, millions, billions of years now then?


Possibly immortal. Possibly just EXTREMELY long lived.

But no, each body is finite. He still needs to regenerate periodically.


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Daveym

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After Steven Moffatt renewed the Regeneration cycle in his 50th Anniversary specials it was left unclear whether it was another 12 regeneration cycle or an infinite one - in 'Kill the Moon' we see it stated very clearly that the Doctor isn't sure whether he now has limitless Regenerations, meaning neither did Moffatt know for sure either. So when you think on that you have another example of how Moffatt had been gradually undermining the old rules the character and the series lived by and we arrived at the point where there were no rules... no rules on time-travel, no rules on what the Tardis could and couldn't do, no rules on regeneration energy, no rules on how many regenerations were possible, no rules on death even.

At this stage, with this Timeless Child reveal, the process is finally complete. Anything Goes. Absolutely Anything....



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bd2999

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I am not totally clear. The Timeless Child has infinite regenerations, but not clear if that does not mean true immortality or not.

Time Lords could still die before and now even though they have regeneration.




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JesusFan


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The Dr appears to be totally alien though, as not a Time Lord!


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JesusFan


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Should have no regens limitations, heck, still even sure why has to change as should be fully immortal


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JesusFan


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Why could he not then choose an alien body that would be extremely long lived?

or else could do wolverine like healing?


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Daveym

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I agree, it make any sense anymore.

The way the original series developed the whole Regeneration concept was only really introduced with the Jon Pertwee version changing into Tom Baker. That was the first time the word "Regeneration" was used, and the first time it was established the Doctor and his people could do this independently and it was a failsafe that was triggered at the point of death - not for nothing did the first eight Doctor's regenerate either flat on their back taking their last breath, or at the point of death being propped up.

So as fantastic as it was as an idea it did have a logic. A science. The Tom Baker era established a Timelord could only Regenerate 12 times. And naturally as the series went on and was revived in 2005 the limitation would have to be addressed and dealt with if the Doctor was to live on. But while a 12 Regeneration limit might be too limiting for a series where the actor tends to do three years and leaves, I don't think it wise to just do away and leave no limits whatsoever, as Steven Moffatt appeared to do with the 50th Anniversary.

Still, Chris Chibnall has take it to a whole new level now by showing the Doctor isn't even a Gallifreyan! Indeed He isn't even a He! He is an 'It'!
So this formless shapeless super-being from beyond has replaced the Doctor we knew and brings a whole new mythos with it....

Who knows what the limits of its powers actually are.



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JesusFan


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The Dr might very be a sentient machine, an Ukltron or vision who mimiks whatever he is around and dealing with!

Would be funny if we were shown at the very end of time that the delaks had finally became intimate form of machine life, and end result was what we call the Dr!


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bd2999

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To be a bit of a jerk he was always an alien. ;\-\)

I get what you mean, by more of a divine not able to die situation, but I am not sure if that was defined totally yet. Just that there were infinite regenerations.

And we know that Time Lords can die, even if on regeneration 1. The rules do not seem super well flushed out but if you blow them up for instance the pieces are not going to regenerate. Seems like life threatening injuries are of varying degrees useful though.

Daveym has gone more into on here than I have. Regeneration has for sure change and it is more of a superpower now. Even before the revalation. The reveal of the timeless child just made it more pointless to care about the character that much and more alien.




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JesusFan


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Really no need for the Dr to ever have to regenerate, as seems to functionally immortal!


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bd2999

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I mean one could argue that started with the normal run before the Timeless child. Maybe not immortality but a crazy resistance to injury.

The 10th Doctor fell from a ship high up and landed in front of the Time Lords reborn and while injured was not crippled.

The 11th Doctor fell from orbit and survived. They said something about the suit helping and fixing him, but still he had to survive it for that to matter.

Resistance to hard radiation and other things too. The Doctor has gotten more durable in the end.

I mean for his enemies he is practically immortal anyway.




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JesusFan


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Since the regen rules are now all over the map, just easier to say that he can now heal from nearly anything!


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