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JesusFan


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As in being a shapeshifter, and was the deal about regeneration just due to being given that by the time lords. really has no need to ever regen, or should be able to do that withoput have to die?


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Daveym

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He was never a shape-shifter. That is a complete misrepresentation of what regeneration really is - The Zygons were shapeshifters, Mystique from the X-Men is a shapeshifter, so too is Maya from Space 1999, these are characters who alter their shape, appearance, and gender at will and at any time.

With the Doctor and his fellow Timelords the difference (in the classic series that is) is that Regeneration was a failsafe process triggered upon the moment of their death to ensure their resurrection and continued life, albeit in a reconfigured body.
When you look at every Doctor from 1963-96 they all change their bodies while at the point of death, literally they tend to be flat on their backs taking their last breaths when the process kicks in to ensure their ongoing survival. They maintain their gender, and their memories, but their bodies are reconfigured by the process.

What happens with the 2005 revival is that rather than it being his last breath that triggers the Regeneration it seems to be more an act of will, he is always standing when the process is triggered and often it isn't clear in what way exactly he is dying - Peter Capaldi's Doctor is a good example of this, he doesn't appear to be ill or dying. He just... gives up.

But whatever. The Doctor isn't a shapeshifter, not in the sense the modern BBC is selling the concept of the Doctor. It is sad to see all the rules and discipline set up in the classic series have been stripped away by this point in time in the series' history. Any show needs rules, a set of limitations and structures that help to define the character and his world. But we don't have that discipline anymore. \(coffee\)



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JesusFan


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I know that the classic view on him was not a shapeshifter, but since we now have him as a totally unknown alien creature, why not be that he can shapeshift at will, and only regen it due to preconceptions placed in his mind that he was a time lord?


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Daveym

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That would be fair enough! I have to say that at this point in time the character is so 'devolved' and deconstructed that anything goes. It was a process that began in the Steven Moffatt years, but with Chris Chibnall this is really a whole new character he has created, a whole new mythos. With any new mythos you do need to set out the rules and limitations it will be shaped by, and there's no signs of Chibnall doing that, so in effect what you get with 'The Timeless Child' is a licence to do anything - it effectively erased the old rules completely and once and for all. So right now.... anything can happen. Literally, anything.

This 'Doctor', can do, Anything! She/It doesn't even need that Sonic Screwdriver really... it exists to sell a toy.



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JesusFan


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Looks like they have just created either Mxy or the Beyonder now!


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Ancient One 

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Nothing like it.

The child was found near a rift in spacetime, but there's no way of knowing where that gateway led. It could have been another universe, or it could have been elsewhere on the same planet.

The child was then killed in a fall, and was murdered many times over by the Gallifreyan who found her.

Is The Beyonder really that weak?


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JesusFan


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Was when he decided to fully become human!


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Ancient One 

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The Timeless Child was never fully human.

As far as we know.


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JesusFan


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That will be the next big reveal, that the Dr was really a human time traveler all along!


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Ancient One 

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    That will be the next big reveal, that the Dr was really a human time traveler all along!


May well happen.

I wouldn't put anything past Chibs.


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JesusFan


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Best scenerio would be that Rose and David Dr are shown in bed, and Rose wakes him up, and he tells her "I had a really terrible nightmare"


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