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JesusFan


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Since Dr 8 was said to be partially human, but now shown to be totally alien species, would that not mean all Drs from 8-12 could not even really have existed now, and surely could not have Rose and that human Dr still around even?


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Zarius


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The novels all dealt with this. It was The Doctor playing a trick on the Master. He was never half-human


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    The novels all dealt with this. It was The Doctor playing a trick on the Master. He was never half-human


The novels aren't canon.

Besides which, The Timeless Children has thrown everything up in the air. People are assuming that the child is a completely alien being, but for all we know perpetual regeneration is discovered on Earth in the far future, on on some alien world that human colonists have reached.

Chibs might even be going (God help us) for some kind of time paradox nonsense. Something like: The Doctor IS a Gallifreyan or Gallifreyan/Human hybrid born in the far future, the first such born with natural perpetual regenerative abilities, but was sent back through time so that Gallifrey could have regeneration in the past.

Who knows?


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JesusFan


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Wasn;t there a rummour that his real and secret name was to had been said to be God?


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JesusFan


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Thought that books are not regarded as canon though!


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    Wasn;t there a rummour that his real and secret name was to had been said to be God?


One of the classic series writers wanted to do that, but the producer wisely said no.


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JesusFan


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Try to explain the Dr as being God would be impossible, especially with those who have had such a dismal time with him as being now a her!


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    Try to explain the Dr as being God would be impossible, especially with those who have had such a dismal time with him as being now a her!


Wait. What?

God IS a her already.


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JesusFan


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Jesus did not get the memo, as God was HIS Father!


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So god couldn't change sex if he/she/it wanted to?

Not ALL powerful, then?

Most gods can even take the forms of animals.

Not so yours?


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JesusFan


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he is all powerful and eternal but relates to us as our heavenly father!


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There y'go. Can be whatever it likes.

My guess is she created humans halfway through a sex change, forgot where she was, and that's why she accidentally gave men nipples.


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JesusFan


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I would just leave it as God as expressed Himself to us as the Father, with Jesus His son!


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I know you would. Probably why you still believe it.

If you asked as many questions of your religion as you do about superheroes, you'd see how badly it fails to give answers.


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JesusFan


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All I know is that Jesus died and rose again, and is the Lord!


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    All I know is that Jesus died and rose again, and is the Lord!


Ah, now, you don't *know* that.

You've been *told* that. You've probably *read* that. And I daresay you *believe* that.

But without proof, you can't possibly *know* that.


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JesusFan


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his death and resurrection one of the most attested to historical events in history!


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Rubbish.

You really think that it's better attested than the assassination of JFK? Or the Crimean War? Or the life of Richard I? It's a ridiculous statement.

One of the most attested to in the ancient world, yes. But when you consider you only need two or three attestations to achieve that, it's not actually saying much.

BUT, we have no eyewitness accounts of it. All we have is hearsay. Stories written down many years after events by people who weren't even there.

Actual eyewitness attestation? Zero.


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There's no reason to go off topic here nor is there any reason to take this to a personal level regarding one's beliefs.

Let's be respectful of each other here and keep it to discussion of The Doctor.

Thanks.



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JesusFan


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the Apostles who wrote their Gospels were all eyewitnesses to the events!
And Paul and James, bitter enemies of Jesus as ther Messiah both somehow believed in Him after he arose!


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JesusFan


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I agree!


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    And Paul and James, bitter enemies of Jesus as ther Messiah both somehow believed in Him after he arose!


Come on over to the Community Board, where we can discuss it properly.


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Zarius


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Doctor Who has no canon

Chibnall I doubt is going to overcomplicate matters. That's what the novels and audios are for, which you can ignore to your hearts content since you're one of 'those fans' that only think the television counts. All he did was give the franchise's expanded aspects some variety with the timeless children twist.

Everyone's ''lord and saviour'' Russel T. Davies even came out last year and said he reckons 'every story is true'


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Congratulations! You've successfully bought into another Nu-Who showrunners' myth.

EVERY ongoing series - whether tv show, film, books or whatever - has a canon. A history.

The Big Finish audio dramas gave an ending to the time war that was later flatly contradicted by what we saw on screen. In the comic strips the Hartnell Doctor has two pre-teen grandchildren, John and Gillian. The comics prior to 2005 also have a completely different 9th Doctor, based on Nicholas Briggs. The film Doctor was an earth scientist who created a space/time machine, and had two granddaughters.

None of the above is ever referenced in the tv show. Why?

Because none of it it canon.

The tv show has it's own unique history, separate from the other media, each of which have their own unique bodies of work.





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JesusFan


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Thanks to the current showrunner though, pretty much he has demolished all prior continuity!


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Oh by no means all of it.

But some very, very important stuff has gone by the wayside.


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Trent Trueheart


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To be fair, while there is a canon, it doesn't mean there is just one canon. You can make the argument that there are three different continuities: the original series, the TV movie, and the current series. For each continuity, everything that happened before is canon, but that doesn't have to mean that everything that happened after is canon. If you're a fan of the original show but hate the current series, that's fine. The new series shouldn't ruin how you feel about the old series because you can ignore the new series. The creators of the current series can also pick and choose what from the original series is canon. There's no rule that says they have to accept it all. If I recall, the current show was a few years in before the previous eight Doctors officially became canon on that show.


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    To be fair, while there is a canon, it doesn't mean there is just one canon. You can make the argument that there are three different continuities: the original series, the TV movie, and the current series. For each continuity, everything that happened before is canon, but that doesn't have to mean that everything that happened after is canon. If you're a fan of the original show but hate the current series, that's fine. The new series shouldn't ruin how you feel about the old series because you can ignore the new series. The creators of the current series can also pick and choose what from the original series is canon. There's no rule that says they have to accept it all. If I recall, the current show was a few years in before the previous eight Doctors officially became canon on that show.


Yeah, I agree completely. That's exactly how I see it.

I've long felt that the new series takes place in a different continuity to the original.


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JesusFan


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If they wanted to do this junk, should have had their version of the COIE first!


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JesusFan


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The most important was the revelation on the Dr itself!


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From my perspective, they *have*. Several times.

The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, The Two Doctors, The Time of the Doctor.

Every time the Doctor's met 'himself', it's been Doctors from parallel universes.


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