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Paladin


Location: Prague, Bohemia
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I have to go to the US for business again and I hate tipping. It makes eating in restaurants so horrid due to having to do maths. I would rather eat in fast food places.

I still can't believe this idiotic system still exists. I mean I wouldn't mind rounding up the bill (eg if the bill is $28.50, rounding up to $30) because its easier for all.

In some coutries, tipping is isulting as it feels like bribery. A taxi driver in Iceland will refuse to take your tip. Why? because his company actually pays him to do his job, like other jobs.

Imagine if all jobs worked on tips. Tip your doctor if he does a good job on your operation. Short change him and next time you need an operation, who knows what could happen.

Sorry, Im not looking for an answer to anything. Just ranting.


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Would be Watcher


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Originally, tipping was given to people in restaurant/hotel that would take in charge your culinary experience. Most restaurant/hotel will not do that. In north America, regardless of being taken in charge or not, people expect you to tip and it is very rude not to.

What disgust me about tipping are boss that justify paying their employee less because hey are subject to receive tips.



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    Originally, tipping was given to people in restaurant/hotel that would take in charge your culinary experience. Most restaurant/hotel will not do that.


Depends on the place, I guess. When I worked as a dishwasher in my high school and college days, the waitresses ran the restaurant. There was allegedly a manager but he was irrelevant. The waitresses wanted tips so they wanted good, hot food delivered promptly - and so they rode herd on the kitchen staff, and also on me if plates, silverware or cups were running low.


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    In north America, regardless of being taken in charge or not, people expect you to tip and it is very rude not to.


At least 20% is easy to calculate. Move the decimal point one position to the left and double the number. Then round up to the nearest dollar.


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    What disgust me about tipping are bosses that justify paying their employee less because hey are subject to receive tips.


Yet a waitressing job can pay pretty well when tips are figured in. It's one of the best paying jobs a high school or college student can get. And it's very difficult work. I, for one, couldn't do it.

The waitresses made considerably more than I did as the dishwasher. I made minimum wage plus maybe a dollar or two per hour.








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Kev Agent of The Shadow


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    At least 20% is easy to calculate. Move the decimal point one position to the left and double the number. Then round up to the nearest dollar.


In California it's pretty easy as the tax is somewhere around 8.25%. So when I eat out, I just glance at the tax on the bill and double it.


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      What disgust me about tipping are bosses that justify paying their employee less because hey are subject to receive tips.



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    Yet a waitressing job can pay pretty well when tips are figured in. It's one of the best paying jobs a high school or college student can get. And it's very difficult work. I, for one, couldn't do it.


Agreed. I've had a lot of jobs, to include being in the Army, and working in a restaurant was the hardest one I've ever done. Sounds silly doesn't it? But you have to remember you are on your feet the entire 8 hour shift, and those tubs of dishes just get heavier and heavier as the day goes on.


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    The waitresses made considerably more than I did as the dishwasher. I made minimum wage plus maybe a dollar or two per hour.



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      Originally, tipping was given to people in restaurant/hotel that would take in charge your culinary experience. Most restaurant/hotel will not do that.



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    Depends on the place, I guess. When I worked as a dishwasher in my high school and college days, the waitresses ran the restaurant. There was allegedly a manager but he was irrelevant. The waitresses wanted tips so they wanted good, hot food delivered promptly - and so they rode herd on the kitchen staff, and also on me if plates, silverware or cups were running low.



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      In north America, regardless of being taken in charge or not, people expect you to tip and it is very rude not to.



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    At least 20% is easy to calculate. Move the decimal point one position to the left and double the number. Then round up to the nearest dollar.
Most restaurants here will suggest amounts on the bill and clearly say what is 15% and 20%. That, and you can just pay Interact and specify you give 15% (no need to calculate anything). 


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      What disgust me about tipping are bosses that justify paying their employee less because hey are subject to receive tips.



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    Yet a waitressing job can pay pretty well when tips are figured in. It's one of the best paying jobs a high school or college student can get. And it's very difficult work. I, for one, couldn't do it.
True. However, the operative word being 'CAN'. Some jobs do not get a lot of tip, if at all but get lower than minimum wage for that excuse. 

Beside, it doesn't excuse paying below minimum wage that there is possibility of tip or not. The client appreciation part doesn't dispense you the obligation to pay minimum wage in my book. If your employee makes load of tips, it means you have good employees, and tip is already a system that reward performance without the boss having to do a thing about it. The way it is used by some boss, it is a system that reward the employer for the performance of the employee on top of the rest... The business being in good health is already the biggest reward for the employer.


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    The waitresses made considerably more than I did as the dishwasher. I made minimum wage plus maybe a dollar or two per hour.

Absolutely. That is why many places will now share tip among all the team. Because the cook, to name only him or her, is deserving just as much as the waitress/waiter for the culinary experience...

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Comicguy1


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I mean, I ALWAYS tip and overtip, but that's just who I am! I am a bit TOO generous! You don't usually HAVE to tip, it's just a custom. It's also how waiters, etc, survive and how they make their money. It's also an incentive for them to do a GOOD job because they know that their livelihood depends on it. It's really up to you. If you feel that you are getting bad service, either don't tip or tip very little. I hope that helps.


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Incriptus


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I know that is in no way the wait staff's fault but man did that bother me enough to slash my normal tip.




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MysteryMan


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What were you in Moscow?....No wait they charge $10 for a 8oz pop can...lol

That said its like #2-3bucks for a beer.


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Kev Agent of The Shadow


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    What were you in Moscow?....No wait they charge $10 for a 8oz pop can...lol



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    That said its like #2-3bucks for a beer.


Wait until Minimum Wage goes up to $15 and see what happens to your soda/beer prices.

People seem oblivious that if you push & pull on Gross Receipts or Expenses then to get back to the same net income, the other component is going to have to move as well.






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Superman's Pal

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Some states are also pushing for a soda "sin tax" like on alcohol and cigarettes.



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MysteryMan


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My only issue is every dollar already gets taxed multiple times. Our government is really squeezing rocks for water(money) these days.


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    Some states are also pushing for a soda "sin tax" like on alcohol and cigarettes.


Like legalizing Marijuana as a new source of income?




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MysteryMan


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I'd say slightly better than letting the drug lords make so much off of it.


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The Black Guardian

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Have you seen recent doctors bills? They already get tipped.

Seriously, tipping only happens because we drastically underpay actual workers in the US. And yeah, it sucks.

It's not really difficult math, anyway: take 10% (move the decimal) and double it. Simple. Then make any arbitrary adjustments you like.

It's not just food though. Generally, for any kind of service (except fast food), you tip.




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Thurisaz


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    It's not just food though. Generally, for any kind of service (except fast food), you tip.


Sure, but certainly not at the same rate. A waiter/waitress or bartender who gives excellent service over the course of a meal or evening deserves 20% or more. But, I'm not giving 20% to the delivery guy or the barista




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The Black Guardian

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    Sure, but certainly not at the same rate. A waiter/waitress or bartender who gives excellent service over the course of a meal or evening deserves 20% or more. But, I'm not giving 20% to the delivery guy or the barista

The rates do fluctuate from service to service.

It depends on what kind of delivery you're talking about. Parcel delivery? No, don't tip them as much. But ALL food delivery people should be tipped MORE than your standard in-restaurant servers. Unlike most in-restaurant servers, it actually costs servers to bring your food to your front door.

Baristas, like bartenders, should probably be getting $1 per drink.




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That cuts into profits.. maybe. Depends on whether the user is used to regular marijuana, or the kind that also contains other stuff. But most also have ccocaine, ecstasy, meth etc., to fall back on.




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bd2999


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I am not a fan of it, more because I do not think that most of somebodies pay should depend on somebody deciding how much to give. I would rather just have to pay a bit more and have them paid better so I do not have to worry about it.

I usually tip well, because servers usually have to deal with a fair number of jerks.




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bd2999


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I want to know where that beer is coming from. I usually see them more like $4+ at a given restaurant depending on the beer we are talking about I guess.




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bd2999


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I suppose, but it depends on how it roles out. If they are getting paid that much than you do not have to tip either.

Part of the argument for why they get tips at all is because they make below the minimum wage without tips. If they were getting paid actual money and did not depend on them for wages than one would not have to tip.

The price of all items on the menu would likely go up. IMO, that is fine. Some people are going to be put off but you can always find a group that is put off.




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bd2999


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Is it under a sin sort of tax? I would call them all a health sort of tax. That sort of tax is not common yet.




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